Christianity + Tarot cards.

To each his or her own. I agree that we have barely tapped the potentials of the human Spirit - that same, Divine Spirit which we know in its relatively more perfect form as `G-d.' Certainly Christ taught this, and he also taught his disciples to be wary. He sent them out with the instruction: "Be ye wise, as serpents, and harmless, as doves." (Matthew 10:16)

I tip my hat in acknowledgement of the work of such pioneers in the scientific exploration of the paranormal ... as J. B. Rhine, Charles Tart, and Edgar Cayce (although Cayce is almost in a category of his own). But I lament the fact that there is still such superstition, fear, and xenophobia rampant in the religious or spiritual arena regarding this subject - of what are essentially, the "gifts of the spirit."

What is important, in considering this subject - tarot, or divination more generally - is to remember - try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater!

So, regarding most christians' stance regarding the Tarot, I cannot speak for anyone other than myself ... but I do believe Christ taught us not to fear, but to seek to understand. He advised this even - or even especially! - of one's enemies, as well as one's friends, family, teachers. And he advised it of all subjects, though again, he instructed us to "test the spirits." He expected his followers - if capable, as the goat scaling the side of the mountain - to think, and to form their own opinions ... and to decide for themselves whether divination, or a particular form of it, is helpful or not, in a particular case, and so on. For the sheep, I doubt he expected much at all. But to see the blind continuing to follow the blind, and leading other blind - was nothing new 2,000 years ago, and it's nothing new now.

I say this not to endorse Tarot or divination, but to suggest that there's more than one approach, and more than a simple duality of "yes, Tarot is fine" and "no, this is the work of the devil." Really now. Surely we can do better.
protokletos
 
The use of divination as a means to "communicate" with angels is not uncommon. One source outrightly encourages its readers to employ rune stones, tarot cards, I Ching coins, palmistry, and astrology. "Allow your inner knowing self to lead you to the right oracle," the authors write, "and trust that an angel will meet you there."




According to the Bible, however, whatever ‘meets you there’ certainly is not one of God’s angels. Why? Because divination stands in open defiance of God, and true worshipers—in heaven and on earth—have nothing to do with it. Why, in Israel divination was a capital offense! "Everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah," the Law stated.—Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:10-12.:eek:

 
For me I always think Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent...God is in everthing, always present, all knowing and all power...I'm comfortable with that.

Growing up as a kid, Sunday was family day. It consisted of Church and gardening, or a Sunday drive, or gathering by the fire reading. Sunday afternoons were usually a big family meal...and often we played games, chess, backgammon, checkers, monopoly...and many others. Just as often we played cards, bridge, pinnochle, euchre, canasta, gin, rummy500...and many others.

I remember while practicing for a play in Jr. High one Sunday...those in the cast not currently on stage were playing a game of cards..I was one of them. The director caught us and was incensed. Not because we weren't studying our lines or watching the rehearsal...but because we were playing cards on a Sunday, blasphemy, heretics we were.

We must all accept that some will think it ok, some will think it divine, some will think it sacreligious, and some won't accept that we should accept.

Me, I still think Sunday is the day for God and Family...and cards are ok.
 
mee said:
The use of divination as a means to "communicate" with angels is not uncommon. One source outrightly encourages its readers to employ rune stones, tarot cards, I Ching coins, palmistry, and astrology. "Allow your inner knowing self to lead you to the right oracle," the authors write, "and trust that an angel will meet you there."

According to the Bible, however, whatever ‘meets you there’ certainly is not one of God’s angels. Why? Because divination stands in open defiance of God, and true worshipers—in heaven and on earth—have nothing to do with it. Why, in Israel divination was a capital offense! "Everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah," the Law stated.—Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:10-12.:eek:


For the most part I agree. But there are some that do things that have nothing to do for profit, nothing to do for self grandeurising, and no intention of messing with God's ideal of how things should work. However, they understand things the rest of us do not.

I don't put them in the category that you seem to place them in. So, I don't know about those types of people.

v/r

Q
 
This opens up a whole range of questions.

The short answer is that people should stay away from all forms of divination, mainly because they have no idea of quite what they are opening themselves up to.

If you look at ancient cultures, such arts were not practiced by everybody (as everybody wants to today) but by skilled practitioners who have undergone training and testing - Scriers, seers, oracles, readers, shamen ... nowadays everybody wants to be whatever they want, and assume they have the right and the ability just because they want to.

Look at it another way - I want to be a brain surgeon. I've read the books and seen the video. I have a great enthusiasm for the topic. Can I operate on you?

So why do peoplke gamble with their psychic health in a more irresponsible manner than going to see a quack doctor?

By the way - there was a case here in the UK of a highly skilled brain surgeon with an amazing track record who was discovered to have no medical qualifications whatsoever - he was found out when someone saw a signature on a letter of recommemndation was a forgery, so it can be done!

Take a look at:
"Meditation on the Tarot - A Journey into Christian Hermeticism"

Probably the most profound book on the Tarot there is - but the Tarot as a teaching tool, not a divination device.

Every form of divination opens you up to the unseen worlds, and there is more darkness there than light, and ignorance is no protection.

Check out succubus, incubus.

Not until one has a wide and working knowledge of the physical, psychic and pneumatic realms - and the differences and distinctions - should any endeavour be undertaken.

And why, precisely, is it at all necessary? There are far more profound and far-reaching methods.

Mostly, it's the blind leading the blind.

Thomas
 
path_of_one said:
I think the question of whether or not it is right to read the Tarot cards must be taken up between yourself and God in prayer.

Part of my own line of thinking about this is that it may depend on how you view the Tarot cards and the practice of reading them. Are you trying to find out the future or just work through dilemmas you are facing? Do you believe you are contacting spirit-entities who help you through the cards, or just using the symbolism and imagery of the cards to reflect in your own mind and trigger subconscious thoughts/feelings?

I would consider myself a Christian, although certainly a liberal one. I have had experiences in which I felt I communicated with spirit-entities. But I do not seek this out and I am very careful to bring my problems and decisions only to God. I am concerned with what God's will for my life is, not any other. From what I have experienced and read of others' experiences, being contacted by spirits of any sort is largely something one can't "turn off." That is, a lot of us don't ask for what we experience, it's just part of the information we pick up from our environments. Think of it this way- a person who has regular scent abilities may not mind someone wearing a lot of perfume, but a person born with highly sensitive scent abilities will be overwhelmed. Well, I've been in places in which folks that aren't sensitive to energy/spirits/whatever you call it are oblivious to what is obvious to a more sensitive person. I've been this way since I was born and I don't think it makes me less of a Christian. But what I choose to do with it could- just as what I choose to do with the rest of my abilities could separate me from God.
I have used oracle decks, mostly just to admire the paintings. I think they can be a useful psychological tool for engaging the mind in a decision, as the human mind responds well to symbolism and myth. I can't answer it for you, but for myself, I do feel that if I'm doing that for lots of my decisions or I feel I "need" to do it, it's a problem. The only thing I want to feel I "need" to do is pray and meditate, no accessories needed. The rest, just like ritual and art, is extra. Personally, I would ask myself why the Tarot decks make me feel centered and balanced as opposed to prayer or meditation. But that's me- and you are you. What is right for you and your relationship with God can only be determined in personal prayer with God.

My (slightly more than) 2 cents.
As always, path-of-one, nice balanced detailed insights. There are various ways to approach use of Tarot, (& many, many types of Tarot decks). But, I agree that their basic purpose is one of mirroring to the user aspects of their psyche. A number of Jungians have written on a Jungian approach to Tarot use-the only deck I own is "The Mythic Tarot," by Sharman-Burke and Greene, which takes an essentially Jungian approach to use/interpretation of it. Jungians have applied jungian synchronicity theory to its use, (and other means of divination), which is interesting. For those interested in a bit more background reading along these llines you could check out the 1992 book, "Wheel of Tarot." I kind of always have thought of it as a form of "Rorschach" test and means of stimulating possible intuitive revelations when used. Though like all forms of "intuitve" insights, it's not about discarding the use of own's common sense in weighing the results-thus the adage "keep an open mind but don't let your brain fall out." I do tend to believe intuitive faculties are at the heart of spirituality, but I tend to agree with you that non-divinatory approaches grounded in the calming/centering of meditation and prayer probably are much more "direct" and essential, but I see nothing about this sort of divinatory practice when used in manners such as the Jungians put forth as encouraging any kind of opening to "evil" forces. Take care, Earl
 
earl said:
As always, path-of-one, nice balanced detailed insights.

I must point out that though there may no harm in using such tools (to the seasoned Christian), this should not be discussed as one would a coffee table book. Younger Christians (who do not have their legs yet, so to speak), could get the wrong idea, and end up being very messed up.

If such things had a rating potential, I'd call this issue R. Not for "minors" under the age of 18. (in Christian maturity years, so to speak).

Everyone of you have acknowledged that there is power in these tools. Power is power, and does not care who wields it.

A car is not evil, but with a 10 year old behind the wheel, it can do a great deal of damage, and should the "child" lose control, even more damage can be done.

Likewise the use of tools that provide us with "othersight"...

my thoughts.

v/r

Q
 
Quahom1 said:
For the most part I agree. But there are some that do things that have nothing to do for profit, nothing to do for self grandeurising, and no intention of messing with God's ideal of how things should work. However, they understand things the rest of us do not.

I don't put them in the category that you seem to place them in. So, I don't know about those types of people.

v/r

Q
yes that is true not all do things for profit, but it is more about being obedient to God and the things that he says we should not take part in because it will make us unclean in a spiritual way
(Leviticus 19:31) "‘Do not turn yourselves to the spirit mediums, and do not consult professional foretellers of events, so as to become unclean by them. I am Jehovah YOUR God.

Thus Saul died for his unfaithfulness with which he had acted faithlessly against Jehovah concerning the word of Jehovah that he had not kept and also for asking of a spirit medium to make inquiry. 1 chronicals 10 ;13 so for Gods people it is more about being faithful to God

There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God ... dueteronomy18;10-13

(Revelation 21:8; 22:15)

(Galatians 5:20) idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects

Youcannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; youcannot be partaking of "the table of Jehovah" and the table of demons 1 corinthians 10;21

 
I'm a Christian, and an important part of my pre-church Sunday routine is to read my Tarot cards. I find my Tarot cards to be very insightful, offering a mirror to myself, allowing me to see issues in my life with greater clarity. This ultimately leaves me more centred and balanced.

I'm curious to find out other Christians point of view on Tarot cards. Do many other Christians also read the cards, or do you believe this is something a Christian should not dabble in?

Wow... Just found this thread, found it pretty amazing...

I'm a Jew... And before I go off to listen to the Rabbi on Sundays I like a nice big fat bacon butty............

lol...

It feels kinda self defeating your statement... Like why bother going to church if you are not going to put your faith love and trust in christ but into some "spirits" magically through cards lol instead....
 
Wow... Just found this thread, found it pretty amazing...

I'm a Jew... And before I go off to listen to the Rabbi on Sundays I like a nice big fat bacon butty............

lol...

It feels kinda self defeating your statement... Like why bother going to church if you are not going to put your faith love and trust in christ but into some "spirits" magically through cards lol instead....

:D


Reminds me of this verse
He that is turning his ear away from hearing the law—even his prayer is something detestable.
proverbs
28;9


yes , it is amazing how those who call themselves christians do all sorts of things even though the bible says NO
 
Ah sugar nuts... Didn't see your response, One turning his ear away from law(Turning from the true ways of christianity?) his prayer is something detestable.... Elaborate?
I was refering to the bacon butty that you mentioned , i thought it was a good illustration.

Jews dont eat pork do they ,so for christians we should listen to what the bible teaches when it comes to tarot cards.


but many do the opposite to what the bible teaches .
 
I read tarot cards for a living and I read for believers and non-believers. I have a great faith in God and before every reading I pray for my client that God comes through me to guide me with His will and not my own. God has helped me to help thousands of people and I always end the reading thanking God and the Angels that guide me. I only choose to be his vehicle to help others and bring my clients closer to God...I always suggest to my clients to pray and have faith... I ask them not to put their faith in me but in God.
I don't feel like this is wrong.
I would appreciate some true Christians viewpoints.. thank you and God Bless you ALL...
 
Namaste and welcome... Can you define a true Christian for us...

Me? I say have fun! Others may get twisted....mee however is gone.
 
I mean by a true Christian who has strong views towards tarot and whether or not they think what I am doing is still wrong if I focus on God in my readings ..
 
I mean by a true Christian who has strong views towards tarot and whether or not they think what I am doing is still wrong if I focus on God in my readings ..
Have you read this thread at all? Plenty of true Christians have already expressed their views, quoted scripture and given opinions. My personal feeling is, if you want to speak to God in this way for yourself that's fine. Even praying on behalf of others. Where the line get's crossed I think, is when you start putting a price on bringing people closer to God or giving the impression going through you is more effective or achieves better results. Ultimately though, your practice is between you and God. His is the only judgment that matters.
 
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Welcome Leslie!

Because you asked for a Christian viewpoint I will keep my POV to myself except to point out an obvious flaw in your request. It is important for you to remember that there are +/- 2 billion persons who identify themselves as Christian and making up that number are tens of thousands of groups who rely upon different doctrine/dogma. Rest assured, viewpoints and opinions abound! ED
 
Have you read this thread at all? Plenty of true Christians have already expressed their views, quoted scripture and given opinions. My personal feeling is, if you want to speak to God in this way for yourself that's fine. Even praying on behalf of others. Where the line get's crossed I think, is when you start putting a price on bringing people closer to God or giving the impression going through you is more effective or achieves better results. Ultimately though, your practice is between you and God. His is the only judgment that matters.
I didn't read the entire thread..nor do I come from a viewpoint of bringing others closer to God but in a sense that is my intention and I say that humbly..if it helps.. AMEN! God is the ultimate judge!... Thanks for your feedback ... I really appreciate it xx
 
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