witnessing to a JW

[mee]

first you said to only use the bible so one doesnt err, but then you dont use the bible and come up with dates given to you by the watchtower, i cant seem to get past you contradicting yourself more than once.
people like myself do believe in bible prophecy such as jesus being born a king and messiah in bethlehem or israel becoming a nation, etc. but people like myself just dont consider jw's as any voice that should be listened to for interpreting prophecies since they have already given many false dates and retracted and reissued different dates. if again we go by the bible, it says to not listen to false prophets, so personally i cannot listen to anything your or your organization have to say, except for loving god and loving others we probably can agree on that and thats a good thing.

your choice is to not listen to those with insight, but my choice is to listen and take in the food that Jesus is making very abundant in these the last days . daniel 12;4 yes Jesus is now a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment . and in these last days the revealing goes on . what a wonderful book of prophecies the bible is . but not all people recognize bible prophecies, because if they do they will have to humble themselves . and that would never do would it? because it means giving up their rulership to the king that Jehovah has chosen, i find it rather strange that some do not like progression, and when better understanding regarding gods purpose for the earth is revealed , they see it as a negative thing ,rather than a progressive understanding, and in my eyes it is a positive thing to have better understanding in this time of the end . because the bible tells us that will be the case. if there was no progressive understanding and revealing , then it would mean that Jehovah and Jesus christ would not be using them. but in my eyes it is crystal clear who Jehovah is revealing things too. and the light is geting brighter and brighter. but some are outside in the gloomy spiritual darkness, and Jehovah is revealing not one bit of light to them,because they do not like the light that is being revealed to the faithful slave matthew 24;45-47 but me i love the revealing that is going on in these last days , there are newer thoughts and revealings going on all the time . and the prophecies in the book of revelation and daniel are my favourite things............. and the day of Jehovah is very near indeed , and the understanding of the book of revelation is great. and as it tells us in the book of revelation, happy are those who observe the words of this prophecy. i am very happy indeed when i read the book of revelation, because those who observe the words will see Jehovah making all things new...And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also, he says: “Write, because these words are faithful and true.” revelation 21 ;5

 

[BlaznFattyz]

your choice is to not listen to those with insight, but my choice is to listen and take in the food that Jesus is making very abundant in these the last days . daniel 12;4 yes Jesus is now a reigning king in the heavenly kingdom goverment . and in these last days the revealing goes on . what a wonderful book of prophecies the bible is . but not all people recognize bible prophecies, because if they do they will have to humble themselves . and that would never do would it? because it means giving up their rulership to the king that Jehovah has chosen, i find it rather strange that some do not like progression, and when better understanding regarding gods purpose for the earth is revealed , they see it as a negative thing ,rather than a progressive understanding, and in my eyes it is a positive thing to have better understanding in this time of the end . because the bible tells us that will be the case. if there was no progressive understanding and revealing , then it would mean that Jehovah and Jesus christ would not be using them. but in my eyes it is crystal clear who Jehovah is revealing things too. and the light is geting brighter and brighter. but some are outside in the gloomy spiritual darkness, and Jehovah is revealing not one bit of light to them,because they do not like the light that is being revealed to the faithful slave matthew 24;45-47 but me i love the revealing that is going on in these last days , there are newer thoughts and revealings going on all the time . and the prophecies in the book of revelation and daniel are my favourite things............. and the day of Jehovah is very near indeed , and the understanding of the book of revelation is great. and as it tells us in the book of revelation, happy are those who observe the words of this prophecy. i am very happy indeed when i read the book of revelation, because those who observe the words will see Jehovah making all things new...And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also, he says: “Write, because these words are faithful and true.” revelation 21 ;5

if you trying to imply that those with insight are jw's, again i will pass, because personally they have no credibility with their inaccurate dates and changing doctrine to validate what they are saying, so to me they are not the ones with any insight whatsoever, and i caution you to see what they are saying and how over time it is false and innaccurate and what the bible has to say about that. and for you to imply i am not humble at the feet of jesus, because i see quite clearly the faults in the jw religion, is completely off-base. for you to say that yahweh is not revealing any light to "them", is a very interesting if not disturbing comment to say the least.

 

[Silas]

Witnessing to JWs is very frustrating to me because they are so indoctrinated with their JW theology and they are taught not to listen to what people say to them. I just wish they would actually listen to what anyone has to say because everyone, at least those who understand the scriptures, see that the JWs version of the gospel, isnt the same as the one in the Bible.

 

[juantoo3]

Witnessing to JWs is very frustrating to me because they are so indoctrinated with their JW theology and they are taught not to listen to what people say to them. I just wish they would actually listen to what anyone has to say because everyone, at least those who understand the scriptures, see that the JWs version of the gospel, isnt the same as the one in the Bible.

Witnessing to intolerant fundies is very frustrating to me because they are so indoctrinated with their intolerant fundy theology and they are taught not to listen to what people say to them. I just wish they would actually listen to what anyone has to say because everyone, at least those who understand the scriptures, see that the intolerant fundy version of the gospel, isnt the same as the one in the real Bible.

Funny, how the same can be said in reverse...

 

[Silas]

Looks like I have a fan!

 

[juantoo3]

Looks like I have a fan!

Tick is more like it.

 

[17th Angel]

Witnessing to JWs is very frustrating to me

Yeah.... Can see that.... If it frustrates you, then just leave it alone.. He choose his faith, like you choose yours.... How about I constantly follow you around the threads picking on you? I am sure you wouldn't appreciate that... I am certain Mee doesn't appreciate your stalking either.

You say because of JW theology and how their bible differs from yours? That could be said in reverse (again) But I don't see Mee, "attacking" you and trying to ram his faith down your throat. If this is the way you go about trying to convert people to your faith I am sure your not that successful... Why not just compare with Mee these differences in the bible? And then try to -understand- why his differs from you? Where do the translations come from? Why does this mean that and that means this... You know? Try a more respectful approach to it.... ;/

 

[mee]

if you trying to imply that those with insight are jw's, again i will pass, because personally they have no credibility with their inaccurate dates and changing doctrine to validate what they are saying, so to me they are not the ones with any insight whatsoever, and i caution you to see what they are saying and how over time it is false and innaccurate and what the bible has to say about that. and for you to imply i am not humble at the feet of jesus, because i see quite clearly the faults in the jw religion, is completely off-base. for you to say that yahweh is not revealing any light to "them", is a very interesting if not disturbing comment to say the least.

matthew 24;45-47 Jehovah blesses those who are faithful to him, and listening to Jesus is the way to go, only those who are willing to be faithful are blessed in a spiritual way , they are given much insight and understanding especially in the last days Daniel 12;4 but over the years there has been much roving around the bible , and now true knowledge is abundant indeed . especially regarding bible prophecy. and the bible itself tells me that not all will have understanding, but it will be only those who remain faithful, yes just as the bible tells me ,some will be outside in the gloomy spiritual darkness.i find the bible to be a most thrilling book in the time of the end , and many things are happening to Gods people in this time of the end , just as the bible says it will , yes 1914 when Jesus was made king in the heavenly kingdom goverment is a time of great activity for those with insight . taste and see that Jehovah is good, but then maybe you are not willing to be fed from the channel that Jesus is using, or maybe it could be that you are one of the unfaithful slaves , only you can answer that one , but me i am getting my spiritual food from Jesus and the channel that he is using . matthew 24;45-47 yes the bible is all happening in these the last days , and those who are humble enough to feed from the right channel will be happy indeed , thats me .isaiah 65;13

 

[BlaznFattyz]

yes 1914 when Jesus was made king in the heavenly kingdom goverment is a time of great activity for those with insight .

because your date is not in the bible, nor is it any clear fulfilled prophecy, and because it goes against scripture which states jesus was born a king already, and because he created the heavens and the earth is lord of it all anyway, in your own words "it is best to stick to the bible". this date, which has come from an anonyoums group of people spread via a magazine, has been changed a few times already.

 

[Silas]

because your date is not in the bible, nor is it any clear fulfilled prophecy, and because it goes against scripture which states jesus was born a king already, and because he created the heavens and the earth is lord of it all anyway, in your own words "it is best to stick to the bible". this date, which has come from an anonyoums group of people spread via a magazine, has been changed a few times already.

That was great!!

 

[Quahom1]

It's not an elation to Blazenfatty or the rest of us. It is a serious consideration that we are asking Mee to ponder. We don't judge Mee...indeed he is one of the staunchest believers in Christ here on the CR forum. He's not good at attempting to convert, but he is grand at holding his own belief. And we respect him for that.

I'm really looking forward to your taking on other denominations...like Catholics for example. That should prove interesting...

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Joshua

 

[InLove]

Well-stated, Q.

 

[China Cat Sunflower]

It's not an elation to Blazenfatty or the rest of us. It is a serious consideration that we are asking Mee to ponder. We don't judge Mee...indeed he is one of the staunchest believers in Christ here on the CR forum. He's not good at attempting to convert, but he is grand at holding his own belief. And we respect him for that.

I'm really looking forward to your taking on other denominations...like Catholics for example. That should prove interesting...

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Joshua

Yeah, I'd like to hear that too. You know, Mee is just one person, and the JW's make an easy target, but I recall something about Catholics being cultists too. Let's hear a little about that.

Chris

 

[Paladin]

It's not an elation to Blazenfatty or the rest of us. It is a serious consideration that we are asking Mee to ponder. We don't judge Mee...indeed he is one of the staunchest believers in Christ here on the CR forum. He's not good at attempting to convert, but he is grand at holding his own belief. And we respect him for that.

I'm really looking forward to your taking on other denominations...like Catholics for example. That should prove interesting...

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Joshua

This should be good since I just started RCIA, I can have something to tell the sisters.

 

[17th Angel]

Yeah, I'd like to hear that too. You know, Mee is just one person, and the JW's make an easy target, but I recall something about Catholics being cultists too. Let's hear a little about that.

Chris

I don't see why they make an easy target lol, all the tales of a god and the bible and so on... I could never believe in that and be convinced... But if anyone could ever get me close to believing it would be the JW's they seem way more accurate, more logic and more understanding than the other christian groups... All the dogma... corruption and greed lol. And from -my- experience in my area, you go to some gloomy dark church no one speaks to each other, the herd shuffle in listen to some man high up in a stand with some fancy dress on shout down aload at them. And gets paid for it.... Maybe sing a song, oh then give us your money... Now forget all this and see you next sunday... lol.

In the JW place there is no "special" ranks man is even... No one is paid for talking about the bible.. They have a lenghty chat with everyone around their hall and joke and enjoys themselves, then a study on a topic out of the bible, everyone is free to "chip in" with their own opinons, which is nice get a scale, of different levels of thinking and seeing... Then again once it's over they all have friendly chats a drink of tea some lunch then off they go preaching ;/ I can't help but compare my two experiences and see the JW's seem more accurate to "bible life."

 

[mee]

It's not an elation to Blazenfatty or the rest of us. It is a serious consideration that we are asking Mee to ponder. We don't judge Mee...indeed he is one of the staunchest believers in Christ here on the CR forum. He's not good at attempting to convert, but he is grand at holding his own belief. And we respect him for that.

I'm really looking forward to your taking on other denominations...like Catholics for example. That should prove interesting...

v/r

Joshua

my aim is not to convert anyone , but to make the goodnews about Gods established kingdom made known . matthew 24;14 . it is for a witness , or in other words to put people on notice about this kingdom that will bring peace to the earth . because after all it is Jehovah that draws people , i can only go on what my own thoughts were when i first heard about Gods kingdom Daniel 2;44, my thoughts were ........GREAT AT LAST A GOVERMENT THAT WILL DO IT RIGHT . and the bible told me that putting myself on the side of the king Jesus christ is the way to go.revelation 7;9-10 and the bible also told me that Jesus is using a faithful class of people to follow matthew24;45-47 and believe it or not i am humble enough to follow those faithful ones because Jehovah and Jesus is
with them. but i also realize that there will be great oposition to Gods purpose. so it is no great surprise to me that people are opposed to the channel that Jesus is using. but out of all the nations in the earth there are people who are willing to be fed by the channel Jesus is using. and the GOODNEWS goes on ...................................................................... And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 even though there are always those in opposition waiting to tread the goodnews down. but as matthew 24 ;13 says, he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. this preaching about the established heavenly kingdom in 1914 , has a good effect on honesthearted ones , but some do their best to fight it. and i hate to say this but the worst offenders are so called religious leaders of christendom. that is what the bible teaches me , and it is so true .

 

[mee]

because your date is not in the bible, nor is it any clear fulfilled prophecy, and because it goes against scripture which states jesus was born a king already, and because he created the heavens and the earth is lord of it all anyway, in your own words "it is best to stick to the bible". this date, which has come from an anonyoums group of people spread via a magazine, has been changed a few times already.

yes Jesus was born to be a king, and it will be Jesus that rules in righteousness,as Isaiah 9;6-7 tells us
6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this. ......................... and as the bible says, the power to do this will come from Jehovah his father . yes Jesus is the prince of peace , man will never bring peace to this earth ,but Jesus will acomplish great things , especially when the heavenly kingdom goes into action Daniel 2;44 but first the good news about this heavenly kingdom will be made known, and my vote is well and truely in . revelation 7;9-10 and as the bible says .........every eye will see, and in the end everyone will know what they are saying yes or no too. but hey it is GOODNEWS

 

[Quahom1]

Yeah, I'd like to hear that too. You know, Mee is just one person, and the JW's make an easy target, but I recall something about Catholics being cultists too. Let's hear a little about that.

Chris

Well, there is the "Mary and rosary" issue. Then there is the infalibilty of the Pope thing (in matters of the church). But other than that, it's strictly a trinitarian concept of Christianity. Besides, I'm not out to convert anyone...that is their choice.

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Joshua

 

[Quahom1]

I don't see why they make an easy target lol, all the tales of a god and the bible and so on... I could never believe in that and be convinced... But if anyone could ever get me close to believing it would be the JW's they seem way more accurate, more logic and more understanding than the other christian groups... All the dogma... corruption and greed lol. And from -my- experience in my area, you go to some gloomy dark church no one speaks to each other, the herd shuffle in listen to some man high up in a stand with some fancy dress on shout down aload at them. And gets paid for it.... Maybe sing a song, oh then give us your money... Now forget all this and see you next sunday... lol.

In the JW place there is no "special" ranks man is even... No one is paid for talking about the bible.. They have a lenghty chat with everyone around their hall and joke and enjoys themselves, then a study on a topic out of the bible, everyone is free to "chip in" with their own opinons, which is nice get a scale, of different levels of thinking and seeing... Then again once it's over they all have friendly chats a drink of tea some lunch then off they go preaching ;/ I can't help but compare my two experiences and see the JW's seem more accurate to "bible life."

Actually I prefer Saturday night "Guitar Mass". Everyone shows up in casual apparel, and we sing to the accompanyment of an accoutsic guitar. Even the priest is in jeans and flanel. Throw back to the sixties I suppose, but I like it.

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Joshua

 

[BlaznFattyz]

my aim is ... to make the goodnews about Gods established kingdom made known . matthew 24;14 ...to put people on notice about this kingdom that will bring peace to the earth...my thoughts were ........GREAT AT LAST A GOVERMENT THAT WILL DO IT RIGHT...but i also realize that there will be great oposition to Gods purpose. so it is no great surprise to me that people are opposed to the channel that Jesus is using. but out of all the nations in the earth there are people who are willing to be fed by the channel Jesus is using. and the GOODNEWS goes on ...and i hate to say this but the worst offenders are so called religious leaders of christendom. that is what the bible teaches me , and it is so true .

Well that is a slightly different good news i spread. i do not dwell on a new government or a new earth, although that is a benefit to being born again and being a part of the kingdom of god, such as no pain, no crying; rather, the good news that i spread is the same good news the god spoke of thru the prophets, and the same good news the angels of the lord came to spread the day jesus christ was born, and the same good news jesus came to spread, and that is a king is born, the lord jesus christ, the word of god, and he died for our sins and resurrected in three days back to glory with the father, and in him there is salvation, everlasting life, and peace for all those that put their faith in him, and no one goes to the father but thru him.
im not sure who you are referring to, but my opposition is not the channel god is using, because the channel god is using is the church through which the holy spirit is working, and the evangelical movement that has translated the bible into all languages, that has missionaries spreading the gospel, making churches, hospitals, orphanages, schools, etc. and spreads the gospel about the father, son and holy ghost and the good news about salvation in christ to all nations so all might be saved. because jw's deny jesus christ as the word of god as god, i cannot in my mind include them in the evangelical movement of spreading the correct gospel. but in the big picture, perhaps they are a stepping stone to a greater personal relationship with christ to those that have no other venue due to circumstance if they truly want to know and love god and let god into their hearts and listen to him, and ask for forgiveness, and let god transform their lives according to a holy and personable god, rather than conform to rules and regulations and doctrine of a social organization which may take precedence over god's word, and which they have invested much of themselves into for fear of death or excommunication.