why does god punish flawed creatures that he made forever

Pico said:
Look, you've been asking the same question over and over again. This is the truth as God himself revealed to us in his word:

God made us perfect. We disobeyed God willingly (all of us). God said that disobeying him warrants us death and separation from him by sinning. Everyone sinned and deserves damnation because of our own actions. Jesus (God himself who created us) stepped in and took the punishment for all of us. Anyone who asks for forgiveness with a sincere heart is granted it and cleansed from their sin. Anyone who doesn't suffers the consequences: separation from God in hell. God has to judge sin because that's his nature. God does not want anyone to go to hell so he provided a free way out, but sadly some people don't accept his gift, and they suffer the consequences for their actions.

I've said this countless times and you say God is obsessed with damnation, but it's really YOU who's obsessed with damnation. God wants every one to live with Him. But he can't make them choose.

The choice is yours. I've made mine.
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how is it that perfect beings disobeyed god. they must have been imperfect... dont you see?

why is it gods nature to judge sin? who benefits from this jusdgement

what does that mean?

whats the point

why doesnt god give people in hell second chances?
 
if god doesnt want people in hell, why did he make hell. and dont say for the devil and his angels. thats BS. people are gonna go to hell and god knows it. why doesnt he do anything about it?
 
shadowman said:
how is it that perfect beings disobeyed god. they must have been imperfect... dont you see?

why is it gods nature to judge sin? who benefits from this jusdgement

what does that mean?

whats the point

why doesnt god give people in hell second chances?
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Dude, to be perfect means you have the capacity of being imperfect. You have it all!

What you do with what you got, is up to you! As man, we mucked up and chose the imperfect. It wasn't God who chose, it was man...
 
You know, Pico, for a supposedly omnipotent being your god certainly has a lot of restrictions placed on his capabilities -- he HAS to do this, he HAS to do that, he CAN'T do this, he CAN'T do that, etc. I'm wondering what the precise biblical basis is for all of these restrictions.

I'm also wondering how you can call such a limited being God with a straight face.
 
shadowman said:
sure
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Good!

Trust God. Don't trust self. say you're sorry, and ask for help from God. Then be quiet and listen for instructions. Oh, and read about God...you can find His story in a book I heard of, oh right, they call it the "Bible". Start with John 1:1 but start with John 3: 16 first...

It will break your heart.

Take care man.

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Q
 
Quahom1 said:
He has a way out...care to test the theory?
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You do realize that a test works both ways, right?

That is, if shadowman gets on his knees and prays sincerely for forgiveness -- or whatever it is you says he has to do -- and nothing happens, then that would prove your theory wrong. Are you willing to give up your Christianity if the test is negative?
 
Silent Dave said:
You know, Pico, for a supposedly omnipotent being your god certainly has a lot of restrictions placed on his capabilities -- he HAS to do this, he HAS to do that, he CAN'T do this, he CAN'T do that, etc. I'm wondering what the precise biblical basis is for all of these restrictions.

I'm also wondering how you can call such a limited being God with a straight face.
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You know Dave for a supposed limited being, you seem to have a large ego concerning self. Pico loves the Lord. I do too. You do not it seems, but unlike Pico, I love a good fight (and I never lose). I think you are in the wrong area of CR, and I think you should leave. Go where you are more comfortable my friend...

and I'm not asking :D

v/r

Q

p.s. this note has been sent to the administrators and moderators...we are getting tired of Christian bashers (me especially)
 
Quahom1 said:
Good!

Trust God. Don't trust self. say you're sorry, and ask for help from God. Then be quiet and listen for instructions. Oh, and read about God...you can find His story in a book I heard of, oh right, they call it the "Bible". Start with John 1:1 but start with John 3: 16 first...

It will break your heart.

Take care man.

v/r

Q
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your religion breaks my heart already, and I read the bible. I was confirmed into a church. I know how it works to an extent.


look if I say I trust something, and I really believe that I am putting my trust into that thing, it doesnt matter if its real or not because I am telling myself it is.
 
shadowman said:
your religion breaks my heart already, and I read the bible. I was confirmed into a church. I know how it works to an extent.


look if I say I trust something, and I really believe that I am putting my trust into that thing, it doesnt matter if its real or not because I am telling myself it is.
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Oh, screw that crap. There is no religion that will save you. There is only one being that can...and He is jumping for joy in front of you...only you can't see it.
 
Just so I'm absolutely clear, Quahom -- are you, in your role as moderator of this forum, ordering me to cease posting in the Christianity forum?
 
theres nothing that can save you... there is only one way puny human.... nothing can save you... nooothing... noooothing!
 
Silent Dave said:
Just so I'm absolutely clear, Quahom -- are you, in your role as moderator of this forum, ordering me to cease posting in the Christianity forum?
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Actually, what I just told you is simple, DAVE. Do not insult the Christians. Or you will cease posting in this forum...

I don't think, DAVE, that I can make it any clearer, shy of removing your posts.

And if you, DAVE, wish to play games with me...

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Joshua
 
what am I being saved from. why do humans need saving. why are we created in the position of needing salvation?
 
shadowman said:
what am I being saved from. why do humans need saving. why are we created in the position of needing salvation?
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Eh, better talk to your forefathers on that one...I think the best bet is the guy named...Adam...
 
I'm confused. First you tell me to leave, then you tell me to stop insulting the Christians, which so far as I can tell I have not been doing to begin with -- unless, that is, Christians find probing questions insulting. Which is the case?

If, as a moderator, you're ordering me to cease posting in this forum, I will, of course, comply.

Edited to add: Not really topical, but I'm wondering -- why are you using my name in all-capitals?
 
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