greymare
Well-Known Member
oh well, at least I wont be lonely in hell, Im sure that Ill know a few people. LOL.
Jury awards father $11M in funeral case
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With those green eyes? Some man is gonna lift you from hades. You just gotta let him...Ms. do it all...lol
Muslimwoman
Coexistence insha'Allah
PRIDE? He sued from pride? Many people sue when a loved one dies and then they give all the money to charities. It is about accountability, not pride or cashing in.
Have you ever served in the military Cyberpi? Have you ever seen a young friend shot dead 5 feet from you? Have you ever had to wait while your brain catches up, as you realise they are never getting up again because some stupid bloody politician wants cheap oil????
These young people put their lives on the line everyday for that bloody 'freedom' your country so enjoys and constantly crows about, so I find it absolutely disgusting that you cannot see this is not about pride or freedom of speech but about being able to bury a person that you love more than your own life (ie your child) without some demented twit screaming obsenities at you.
Where is your respect for the people that protect you while you sleep?????
Have you ever served in the military Cyberpi? Have you ever seen a young friend shot dead 5 feet from you? Have you ever had to wait while your brain catches up, as you realise they are never getting up again because some stupid bloody politician wants cheap oil????
These young people put their lives on the line everyday for that bloody 'freedom' your country so enjoys and constantly crows about, so I find it absolutely disgusting that you cannot see this is not about pride or freedom of speech but about being able to bury a person that you love more than your own life (ie your child) without some demented twit screaming obsenities at you.
Where is your respect for the people that protect you while you sleep?????
PRIDE? He sued from pride? Many people sue when a loved one dies and then they give all the money to charities. It is about accountability, not pride or cashing in.
Have you ever served in the military Cyberpi? Have you ever seen a young friend shot dead 5 feet from you? Have you ever had to wait while your brain catches up, as you realise they are never getting up again because some stupid bloody politician wants cheap oil????
These young people put their lives on the line everyday for that bloody 'freedom' your country so enjoys and constantly crows about, so I find it absolutely disgusting that you cannot see this is not about pride or freedom of speech but about being able to bury a person that you love more than your own life (ie your child) without some demented twit screaming obsenities at you.
Where is your respect for the people that protect you while you sleep?????
When selfishness is more important than the other...this is what you get.
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cyberpi
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While I question the relevancy to the thread, I would like to answer each of your questions if you will answer them first. I found your post very interesting but a little bit twisted... the irony here seems to be high.PRIDE? He sued from pride? Many people sue when a loved one dies and then they give all the money to charities. It is about accountability, not pride or cashing in.
Have you ever served in the military Cyberpi? Have you ever seen a young friend shot dead 5 feet from you? Have you ever had to wait while your brain catches up, as you realise they are never getting up again because some stupid bloody politician wants cheap oil????
These young people put their lives on the line everyday for that bloody 'freedom' your country so enjoys and constantly crows about, so I find it absolutely disgusting that you cannot see this is not about pride or freedom of speech but about being able to bury a person that you love more than your own life (ie your child) without some demented twit screaming obsenities at you.
Where is your respect for the people that protect you while you sleep?????
Who are you saying is exhibiting selfishness Q?Quahom1 said:
Muslimwoman
Coexistence insha'Allah
Yes
Yes
Yes
I have a lot of respect for anyone that offers up their life for the safety of others (that includes firemen, policemen, military)
(If you want to check go to the what do you look like thread, there is a photo of me in my military uniform I think about page 30)
Your turn.
Yes
Yes
I have a lot of respect for anyone that offers up their life for the safety of others (that includes firemen, policemen, military)
(If you want to check go to the what do you look like thread, there is a photo of me in my military uniform I think about page 30)
Your turn.
You...and your posts are often twisted but we seldom complain...
Funny - I don't see the US system condoning crucifixation or stoning, and don't see either, let alone imprisonment, being determined in this instance.
I think your problem is that you're saying that you want to pick out bits from secualr society (free speech) and Christian ideals (forgiveness) and then becry anything that doesn't fit into your own personal vision of an ideal society.
That's your prerogative I guess, but it only happens because you are living in a secular society in the first place that you can make such statements.
I can tolerate Iran as I tolerated your uncivil judgment of Silas and Niranjan. I denounce retribution over undesired words everywhere, including here. Surely you will learn this someday.
Well, if you feel that *everyone else* is so condemning, why not do us all a favour and invite the Westboro church members to your home, have them stay over for a few days - or weeks - and then film it all on YouTube showing what an amazing compassionate, forgiving, and accommodating person you are?
Because at present all you're doing is acting like an armchair critic, happy to criticise everyone and everything else where decisions of responsibility have to be made, without giving any reality to your objections.
In fact, for someone making such a fuss of others being "condemned", you do a marvellous job of sounding like you enjoy "condemning" others. Reading through this thread I don't see any of that forgiveness you seem to be chiding others for lacking. Which comes across as pretty hypocritical: "I condemn others who condemn!"
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cyberpi
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False. That is your prerogative to lack Faith in God.That's your prerogative I guess, but it only happens because you are living in a secular society in the first place that you can make such statements.
Who said anything about "everyone else"? Do you know "everyone else"? I will take you to task and go visit the WBC in their home town, take pictures, and tell the story here on CR. The WBC has done me no harm and does not need my forgiveness. The people who are in need of someones forgiveness now are the prideful dad, the judge, and that faceless jury.
In the presence of those who I object to, I give reality to the objection in the same way that I have given reality to my objection with you. How do you wish me to give reality to my objections... file a lawsuit? That is what I am denouncing here. Prior to this on CR several times I promoted the method of how to deal with the WBC. I will take you to task and meet them in person.
Do you seriously think my words have removed life away from you? The only people condemned within this story was the dead Lance Corporal and the WBC, and Silas and Niranjan were also condemned from CR. The prideful dad did lose something, and so will that judge and jury... but not by me.
I rebuke anyone who takes life in their response to the undesired words from someone. Surely you will learn this.
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cyberpi
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MW:
Yes, I served in the same branch of military as the Lance Corporal who died: the US Marines.
No, I have not had a young friend shot dead 5 feet away from me. Sorry for your loss. I have been near dead military members on foreign soil and I have certainly known some who later died. One fellow Marine died of Leukemia allegedly possibly due to exposure to something.
No, I see past your feelings of that politician and I find nothing cheap with Iraq or with oil.
I don't know where my respect is for the faceless that has protected me while I slept, but I will pray to God and ask what I might do in return for his protection.
Yes, I served in the same branch of military as the Lance Corporal who died: the US Marines.
No, I have not had a young friend shot dead 5 feet away from me. Sorry for your loss. I have been near dead military members on foreign soil and I have certainly known some who later died. One fellow Marine died of Leukemia allegedly possibly due to exposure to something.
No, I see past your feelings of that politician and I find nothing cheap with Iraq or with oil.
I don't know where my respect is for the faceless that has protected me while I slept, but I will pray to God and ask what I might do in return for his protection.
I have faith - I just don't expected someone else to demand their version upon mine. You seem to be complaining that America hasn't got your version of faith imposed upon its secular institutions. You called it "un-American", but the secular nature of law with trial by jury is surely a cornerstone of secular democracy? Like I said, there are alternatives if you don't like that.
Go read your replies on this thread - you're already making it quite plain that you are interested in condemning others.
You made the point that the WBC had broken one of the commandments, but bringing a secular case in a secular society was actually the greater wrong.
You're doing the condemning here, not me, so it's for you to deal with your contradiction of condemning others for condemning.
You've removed nothing from me, why should you think that?
You also have a very confused idea of condemnation - I remove undesirables from CR and you equate that with the death of a soldier? That sort of leaves me confused.
But as I stated above, why not stop condemning other people and show us what an amazing forgiving creature you are. You're the one claiming a higher standard than us, so prove it.
Muslimwoman
Coexistence insha'Allah
Why not simply offer your respect and ask others to follow your example.
Thank you for your sympathy but I didn't mention it for that reason. Those of us that have worn a uniform and been to war have also dealt with the grieving families and no amount of 'freedom of speech' is ever going to make me believe these people have a right to do what they do. There are lines you simply do not cross and should not be allowed to cross.
madeinrussia89
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This "church" protested in front of my high school and disrupted class because there happened to be a lot of homosexual students (it was an art school). They were shouting things at every student including myself things like " God hates **** " and " you're all going straight to hell ". And believe me, reading it in an article can't even possibly describe the horror of it.
I just hope that this church either realizes their wrongdoings (but I doubt they will) or is sued into bankruptcy so they can't travel anymore to harass people and spread lies.
At this point, respect for the dead takes priority over freedom of speech. No one, NO ONE, should have the right to invade a funeral with this filth.
There is a time and a place to protest a war you don't agree with, and it is not at a funeral.
I hope the father puts the money to good use.
I just hope that this church either realizes their wrongdoings (but I doubt they will) or is sued into bankruptcy so they can't travel anymore to harass people and spread lies.
At this point, respect for the dead takes priority over freedom of speech. No one, NO ONE, should have the right to invade a funeral with this filth.
There is a time and a place to protest a war you don't agree with, and it is not at a funeral.
I hope the father puts the money to good use.
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cyberpi
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I referred there to respecting God... I think you missed that. But your example of respect is lip service. You love praise, and you hate being rebuked. You are refering to respect as a form of lip service. You are placing requirements on the words that someone must give and receive to a family of the military. I rebuke that. I rebuke the military all the time and I certainly don't consider that disrespect. People have a right to rebuke each other and people have a right in America to rebuke the corporations, the government, its followers, and the families of its followers. Have you not rebuked the US government and US military MW? I think you have. By your definition you are disrespectful. If the WBC crossed a line at a funeral it is NOTHING compared to returning soldiers from Vietnam who were spit on by hippies. It takes a real man to walk away from that. The prideful dad, the judge, and the jury are as anti-democratic as it gets. They have now used a financial attack to beat back those who disrespect them. Shame on them. They are now thieves. I most definitely disrespect those individuals now. Those individuals have tried to hurt someone in America because they didn't like what they had to say. Now the father, the judge, and the jury, are the teachers of hatred. They have scorn in their hearts and hatred for those who speak out against them and their ideals. I most definitely disrespect that. I openly rebuke them and I'd love to rebuke them more directly. I ask you to follow my example in verbally disrespecting ANYONE who reacts with hatred against those who honestly speak out against them, and to not repeat the same mistake of hatred when being rebuked by someone. If the prideful dad, judge, and jury is any better than the WBC then they'd behave better than the WBC. They have not. Instead they have behaved worse. Shame on them. Bake them a pie and tell them the simple truth: Do unto others as you would that they do unto you. If you like being sued for $11 million by someone who you verbally disrespect, then carry on. OJ Simpson, MJ, and Bush would be rich if they could sue everyone who disrespects them.
Those lines are the lines of hypocrisy. I'd think that one through more if I were you.
I don't know if we mentioned it here, but there is some good that comes out of everything. The Patriot Guard Riders not only were created to form a blockade between funerals and the Westboro crowd. They are bikers from all sorts of groups forming behind a national cause. They are called to show up and many various events, and have started organizing fundraisers for causes as well.
And while a wall of Harley's rumbling isn't what we'd envision at a funeral, between that sound and the flags they wave, the homophobic jeers can't be heard or seen.
And while a wall of Harley's rumbling isn't what we'd envision at a funeral, between that sound and the flags they wave, the homophobic jeers can't be heard or seen.
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cyberpi
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It is your prerogative. Likewise I don't have to accept your version of a secular society because I'm entirely safe to speak my mind in a non-secular one too... despite your assertions of Faith in secularism.
I think it is irrational extremism to extrapolate the actions of one civilian and an unjust judgment by individuals in a court... into some argument of religion versus secular institutions.
To the contrary, free discourse, rebuking, and lobbying are requirements in a democracy. In fact if oppression occurs then not paying taxes, throwing tea into the Boston harbor, and disrespecting and throwing the government Red Coats out... is considered American.
My words do not remove from a person's ability to choose for themselves. They do not hurt anyone. If you think I am condemning you, then contrast my method versus the method taken by the prideful dad. Which would a person like to receive... words or lawsuit?
Does a secular government pretend to be God's defender? The commandment I referred to was to not use God's name in vain.
No contradiction. If I removed from you then I have condemned you. I have removed nothing and I have only added words. Please tell me you are starting to see this now.
The two are not equal but they are comparable. It was the method you took away their rights, they were rebuked and were not given a chance to respond. Something was removed from them as a form of punishment for something they said.
Condemn others as you would that others condemn you. There... now I don't care how the definition of the word 'condemn' is twisted. If a person does not want to be rebuked then don't be a hypocrite rebuking other people. If a person does not want to be sued for their words then don't be a hypocrite sueing other people for their words. If a person does not want to be banned from higher places for their words, then don't be a hypocrite banning people deemed lesser... for their words.But as I stated above, why not stop condemning other people and show us what an amazing forgiving creature you are. You're the one claiming a higher standard than us, so prove it.
Indeed, there is nothing so sad as bringing one home to rest, and presenting the flag to those left behind as a symbol of appreciation for service to God and country. To some, it is so inadequate. To others, they can't hold that tri-folded flag tightly enough to their chest and heart...
I had to present a fallen friend's spouse "his" flag, a week ago. He was accorded the full military honors (the military chaplain, the honor guard, the color guard, the military pall bearers, the bugler, the gun salute, and the draped flag folded and presented to the family). They warn us (me) to not be surprised at anything the bereaved might do, during the presentation of the flag, but I never expected her to stand up and reach for the flag, while I was on bended knee to give it to her. She kept reaching for the flag, for me, for her family (she just wanted to hold something that held residuals of her man).
When it was over I got into my truck, and cried. Kind of hit one like a ton of bricks...
Muslimwoman
Coexistence insha'Allah
How interesting that you think these returning soldiers deserved more respect and yet a young man that died for your democracy deserves less respect. Perhaps you think only the living deserve respect?
All you are achieving in this discussion is convincing me that your views are on the same level as the WBC.
Indeed, It think we just got spit on by Cy...
Muslimwoman
Coexistence insha'Allah
It is very difficult to do Q, no words can comfort the grieving and you feel as though you are outside yourself looking in, helpless. Then the why him not me guilt kicks in. I am so sorry you lost a colleague and wish you all well during your mourning period.
Salaam