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Jehovah witnesses.

Just had two Jehovah witnesses knocking my door, an elderly couple.

The man talked something about all the weapons we have and about people all over the world are created of God.

He read something from the Bible talked about the righteous shall inherit the earth.

I let them have their say.
I almost let them in, i thought they may have been friends of my late Grandmother from her Church.

They asked me did i want a Bible I think, and any leaflets, I refused.
I've had them before, they don't mean nothing to me.

I felt sorry for them, I thought poor people, they're walking round these doors think they're doing God's will, and people are probably looking at them like they're deluded.

I sat down and thought on this a little, should I have have invited them in, told them what I thought, would it have done any good.

Thinking on this and what could I have said.
I thought maybe I could have said to them, what good do you do coming round these doors, what help and witness do you offer anyone.

Where were you when my Grandmother was dieing, my sister on heroin.
I could have said to them it was the Hospice who was there when my Grandmother was dieing.
If you're going to go round peoples doors, then maybe you could offer them God's love.
Not just in the words of a book, but your willingness to help people.
And I'm sure many doors that they knock truly need this help, this witness.

Maybe they could offer help and support, imagine that a Jehovah witness, being a Jehovah witness, not just in their words or leaflets, but in their willingness to be witnesses in their actions and outreached hands to come into peoples homes and be God's love to people.

I could say why don't I do that.
I haven't even got the nerve to knock on peoples doors.
But as they do, maybe they could go that little bit further, and instead of being a hinderence be a help.

Not be taken advantage of, but be a real help and comfort to people which is good for us all to be.

Maybe they could work with hospices, maybe visit and help elderly people, disabled people, work with struggling families.
For it does say in all Bibles, I was naked and you clothed me, sick and you visited me.
It also says to help the fatherless and widows.
 
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I believe many of them do do those things you speak of, not just traipse around door to door saving souls but also do other good works.

I have a JW friend and he spends his time between the two...he's retired, he's on disability, he's on oxygen, but he knocks on doors and volunteers...

In my experience the biggest door knockers are Witnesses, Mormons and Baptists, AME seems to be getting at it as well.

It is also my experience that they participate in other ministries as well, the Christmas in April, Habitat or building type stuff.

I don't know about Hospice, I do have friends who work with that quite a bit, I think they have to hold their tongue regarding religion...I'll ask about that, but that would be tough for someone sworn to witness...divided loyalties...

I invite them in, all of them, and invariably it is they that have to leave, it is they that have some pressing appointment...it is me that just continues with the questions.

Sometimes they come back, bringing someone else to discuss my thoughts and contemplations....but then eventually they just avoid my door. If I happen to see them they are walking on the other side of the street, I picture them either indicating to the newbie....stay away from that house, he asks to many questions...or pray for that poor fellow he just can't grasp the truth....or maybe there is a heretic that lives their, we can't save him.

I enjoy learning about other religions...and them coming to my door vs. me going to theirs is downright convenient.
 
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JW's do not come to my door as I am an ex JW.

You say... "aww I feel so sorry for these deluded people, thinking they are doing god's work..."

How do you know they aren't???

Kind of Funny, I am sorry but it is... You would blame god for your sisters free choice to decide to take a drug? Seems bad practice... There is only one person to blame for that.... The person who made that decision... Trust me, no divine being MADE your sister take drugs..... That is on her shoulders.. And hopefully she will kick it.
 
Re: Jehovah witnesses.

JW's do not come to my door as I am an ex JW.

You say... "aww I feel so sorry for these deluded people, thinking they are doing god's work..."

How do you know they aren't???

Kind of Funny, I am sorry but it is... You would blame god for your sisters free choice to decide to take a drug? Seems bad practice... There is only one person to blame for that.... The person who made that decision... Trust me, no divine being MADE your sister take drugs..... That is on her shoulders.. And hopefully she will kick it.

I don't disagree with you, you've misunderstood me.
I've never blamed God for my sister taking drugs, yes we all have to take responsibility for our own actions, and I hope she's learned that a bit the hard way.
I think it's only when we do take the responsibility ourselves that we start on the road to recovery.

What I was talking about, was us supporting and helping one another.
Which you may find many people need, whether with family members on drugs or dieing, and them themselves.

I'm just saying I find that the greater witness that someone will reach out in love, themselves.
Not just preaching in words, but doing ourselves what the Scriptures direct us in.

What's that quote.
"Preach the Gospel and if neccesary use words".

I'm sure they think they're doing God's will.
And I don't want to myself be judge over them as not.

I'm just saying myself, I find what they do pointless and a waste of time, at least to me.
Maybe some of their words do reach some people.

I'm just saying I find actions speak louder than words.
And with going round peoples houses, maybe they make loss of a greater oppurtunity.

The Hospice worker who came to my house was a Christian, also the one who runs it and I think set it up.

They spoke a little to my Grandmother concerning her faith, maybe because she was Christian.
I'm sure they wouldn't push their religion on people.
 
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From what I gather they are right up on witnessing in hospices. Much to the disgust of many.

To me they are a strange breed. I can never quite get a real take on them. Like they have relinquished their own individuality. In many ways they are little different in that regard to door to door salespersons of dubious insurance policies I have had knock at the door. And it was the same with the ones that went to school with me as a kid. They never laughed and joked and fitted in with the rest. Like 'personality' had been surgically removed. Gives me the creeps in some small way.

Tao
 
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Each to their own... Me sitting down on my buttocks in my nice leather lazy boy.... Smoking a bowl, playing computer games from dusk to dawn... That is some awesome progress... To others, they would look blankly and think what the hell is this guy doing? He is just leading a useless life... You know? But to me, that was one hell of a day. :D

I think it is quite beautiful that people can do that... They are allowed to go and express their love for something... Like to see a JW do that in Russia.... *dodges the bullets*

I think it's just one of those "worry about what you are doing, not what others are doing." I dunno!!! I need coffee..
 
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when they knock on my door, i tell them they did not come to my house to give me info on the watchtower, but god brought them to me so i can tell them about the gospel, i witness to them, and i invite them to my church.
 
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its good to know that the preaching of the goodnews is certainly being made known on a global scale . and it is being done by a great crowd from all nations and it is putting people on notice matthew 24;14 revelation 7;9-10 . and it certainly is a talking point . and yes Jehovahs witnesses are the ones doing that preaching of the goodnews of the kingdom.
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.​

(Romans 10:18) Nevertheless I ask, They did not fail to hear, did they? Why, in fact, "into all the earth their sound went out, and to the extremities of the inhabited earth their utterances." ................. thats why there is now in these last days a GREAT CROWD all doing the will of God . and spiritual healing is going on in a big way . it will be really good when the physical healing takes place on the earth ISAIAH 33;34
And no resident will say: "I am sick." The people that are dwelling in [the land] will be those pardoned for their error.
(Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away."................ Great things are ahead for those who listen to Jesus voice matthew 24;45-47 but there are many opossers to Jesus channel . but no worries Jesus sheep listen to his voice ........... NICE:)
 
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There’s a JW that calls around occasionally, who is a kind person, who earnestly wants me to see things her way, but (I think) understands that I do not and am unlikely to. She wants to “save” me and I’m happy to talk with her once in a while. She is making an offering to me and I try to be polite and hope she understands that she is offering something that I do not believe or in any way accept. As much as I’ve spoken with her I have only spoken about her religious beliefs as this is her preferred topic, this seems to be the only thing she can talk to me about. I feel she is a lovely person behind her never-ending attempts at persuasion, but I cannot get to know her, other than her religious beliefs; which I think is a shame, as all her conversation remains “on topic.” Her personality has been subsumed beneath her role as a sales rep. It would be futile of me to try to persuade her to change her beliefs about the world to mine (which I would never want to), but presumably she does not feel her attempts to change others views to hers are always futile. Maybe Head Office have got the stats to show it’s worthwhile.

I think people should be free to hold whatever beliefs they wish to, as long as it does not interfere with the lives of others, or put their own ability to function in life at risk. Witnessing is akin to upfront offers of brainwashing. “Excuse me, I know you think that chocolate is the best flavour ice cream and that as an adult you’re entitled to form and hold your own opinions, but you’re wrong, it’s banana flavour and I’m here to explain why you should think that.” I’m sure there should be a law against it! I even know of a JW who went to a Buddhist temple and tried to witness to a senior monk there.

I know someone who comes from a large family of JWs and I have been told about all the training they get which was described as being “hard-nosed sales” training, which I find rather sad and disturbing. I’m sure this isn’t unique to JWs, but it’s still sad and disturbing all the same. Hence the relentless sales pitch from the lady that comes around…

s.
 
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...I have been told about all the training they get which was described as being “hard-nosed sales” training, which I find rather sad and disturbing...
i have heard the same, and it feels like it.
 
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You know what else strikes me about them as I think on it. In addition to the personality lobotomy, or perhaps because of it, there is an air of sadness about them too. Perhaps that is why they have all these glossy technicolour pamphlets of some kind of utopia. An effort to deflect the 'mark' from depressing greyness of the people delivering them. It may sound like I'm just having a dig but I'm not. makes me sad just thinking bout it:(

tao
 
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As much as I’ve spoken with her I have only spoken about her religious beliefs as this is her preferred topic, this seems to be the only thing she can talk to me about.

s.
it good to see that they are staying focused on the Goodnews , after all that is the reason they are going from door to door, they are not going door to door to try and find another religion . they are giving goodnews out . just as Jesus wants them too matthew 28;19-20 matthew 24;14 and this goodnews is global and the Angels are with them .
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,.......... its all happening in this time of the end :) those with the right heart will join this great crowd of kingdom preachers and then the singing of the Goodnews of the kingdom Daniel 2;44 gets ever louder and ever stronger..... nice
Though not begotten by holy spirit to be sons of God, "a great crowd" of "other sheep" are telling the anointed followers of Jesus Christ: "We will go with you people, for we have heard that God is with you people." (Revelation 7:9; John 10:16; Zechariah 8:23) yes helping christs brothers to get the goodnews made known is going on all over the world ,and it seems that many are hearing but the question is ........ do they take note , even if people do not respond , the witness is serving a purpose ,it is putting people on notice , so regardless of the response the witness about the kingdom goes on . people can never say they did not have the chance to hear the kingdom message , because as this thread seems to show the witness is being made known . and just as Jesus said, his PRESENCE would be just like the days of Noah .Noah was a preacher telling people that there was going to be a flood , and even visibly building a way to survive that flood , but as Jesus said .......they took no note ......... the witness was given by Noah for many years before hand . but only a few responded . and Jesus did say that it would be just like the days of Noah . so i have got on board by making the goodnews known along with christs annointed brothers .
"Go, you and all your household, into the ark, because you are the one I have seen to be righteous before me among this generation."—GENESIS 7:1.
Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:37) With these words, Jesus indicated that the time of his invisible presence would be similar to the days of Noah, and that has truly been so.
Noah’s contemporaries failed to appreciate that Noah had divine backing and was acting at God’s direction. So they did not take his preaching seriously and act on his warning message.
By faith Noah, after being given divine warning of things not yet beheld, showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household; and through this faith he condemned the world, and he became an heir of the righteousness that is according to faith."—Hebrews 11:6, 7.
 
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You know what else strikes me about them as I think on it. In addition to the personality lobotomy, or perhaps because of it, there is an air of sadness about them too.

tao
"Happy are those hearing the word of God and keeping it!"—Luke 11:28.
 
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Just had two Jehovah witnesses knocking my door, an elderly couple.



He read something from the Bible talked about the righteous shall inherit the earth.

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"Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. matthew 5;5
But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,​
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.psalm 37;11 when people are taught by the most high Jehovah ,they do not learn war anymore . so it will be great when the whole earth is doing what God instructs us . then there will be real peace on earth . those who are taught by Jehovah will go on to inherit the earth , and even now they are benifiting from being taught Jehovahs ways .
Is it just an unrealistic dream to believe that everlasting peace is possible? Not if we turn to the right source of peace. And who is that? Psalm 46:9 answers by telling us that Jehovah "is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth. The bow he breaks apart and does cut the spear in pieces; the wagons he burns in the fire." And Jehovah has already started the process to end wars and establish true peace. How? By installing Christ Jesus on his rightful Kingdom throne in 1914 and by promoting the greatest educational campaign for peace in the history of mankind. The prophetic words of Isaiah 54:13 reassure us: "All your sons will be persons taught by Jehovah, and the peace of your sons will be abundant." .....yes, we are NOW in the final part of the days and as ISAIAH 2;2-4 PROPHECIED Gods people are being taught by the God of peace .
And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. And many peoples will certainly go and say: "Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore............... yes , ones from ALL NATIONS are learning war no more they are peaceful people . and here they are spoken of in REVELATION 7;9-10
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."................... they are a GREAT CROWD from all nations who are only being taught PEACE.

(Psalm 72:7) In his days the righteous one will sprout, And the abundance of peace until the moon is no more.

(Isaiah 60:18) "No more will violence be heard in your land, despoiling or breakdown within your boundaries. And you will certainly call your own walls Salvation and your gates Praise.

(Micah 4:3) And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.

(Matthew 5:44) However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU;​

(Matthew 26:52) Then Jesus said to him: "Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.................... GREAT things are being accomplished on a world wide scale even now , but eventually when Jehovah removes the opposers PEACE will prevail earth wide Daniel 2;44 and these ones who are doing the will of God are very HAPPY indeed . because they have put their trust in the prince of peace .
(Isaiah 9:7) To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.:)
 
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mee,

You’re intention is presumably well meant but you are simply confirming what I am saying. If I only talked about one thing, any one thing (eg the weather), people would think I was the most boring person in the world and avoid me like the proverbial plague. What I said would not be perceived as a "signal" it would be perceived as background "noise" and "tuned out."

Nobody listens to a stuck record.

I realise I am wasting my time here anyway so bye.

s.
 
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when they knock on my door, i tell them they did not come to my house to give me info on the watchtower, but god brought them to me so i can tell them about the gospel, i witness to them, and i invite them to my church.
Its good to know that Jehovahs people are heeding the command from Jesus himself to GO.
GO therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." matthew 29;19-20 yes their feet are shod with the GOODNEWS of the kingdom .​
"How comely upon the mountains are the feet of the one . . . bringing good news of something better."—ISAIAH 52:7. yes this something better is Gods heavenly kingdom with Jesus as a reigning king ISAIAH 9;6-7 ...daniel 2;44
It is comforting to know that the Bible proclaims good news. It is the news that sickness, hunger, crime, war, and all sorts of oppression will be brought to an end by God’s Kingdom. (Psalm 46:9; 72:12) Is that not news that everyone needs to hear? Jehovah’s Witnesses certainly think so. Therefore, they are known everywhere for their ongoing effort to share the good news of God’s Kingdom with people of all nations.—Matthew 24:14...... NICE :)
 
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mee,

You’re intention is presumably well meant but you are simply confirming what I am saying. If I only talked about one thing, any one thing (eg the weather), people would think I was the most boring person in the world and avoid me like the proverbial plague. What I said would not be perceived as a "signal" it would be perceived as background "noise" and "tuned out."

Nobody listens to a stuck record.

I realise I am wasting my time here anyway so bye.

s.
not everyone wants GOODNEWS , but some do listen to Jesus voice , and those who listen are the sheep . and then these sheep become a GREAT CROWD revelation 7;9-10 and they are all waving their symbolic palm branches to welcome Gods reigning king Jesus christ .:) sticking to the true way to salvation leads to everlasting life .John 17;3 and it is very good indeed . yes i am stuck like glue LOL
 
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I enjoy learning about other religions...quote] then this is the thing to read .
bible_teach.jpg
What Does the Bible Really Teach?.................... and yes there is a people on the earth who are sticking to what the bible really teaches . and yes it is Jehovahs witnesses .:)
 
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JW's do not come to my door as I am an ex JW.

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(Zechariah 1:3) "And you must say to them, ‘This is what Jehovah of armies has said: "‘Return to me,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, ‘and I shall return to YOU,’ Jehovah of armies has said."’
(Isaiah 44:22) I will wipe out your transgressions just as with a cloud, and your sins just as with a cloud mass. Do return to me, for I will repurchase you.​

(Isaiah 55:6) Search for Jehovah, YOU people, while he may be found. Call to him while he proves to be near.
 
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There are many religion groups that use glossy brochures. The glossy brochure is part of our advertising age...not just religions: charities, pizza take outs, and political crap.....just adding to the information paper junk glut.

You can't even recycle some of this high gloss bunf....we should all just go back to the slate....:)
 
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