Who Are They?

[Pico]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

NEAR- death

Yes, you are right. It is called a Near-death experience.

But what constitutes a near-death experience is that the person is actually, really dead, medically i.e. absolutely no activity in the body going on what-so ever. And they come back to life (sometimes in the morgue). They aren't part-dead.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

The year 1914 AD?

1914 is a very significant date indeed, and since this date we have been living in what the bible calls the last days , or the conclusion of the system of things, or the time of the end . and yes its all happening in these the last days .
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 2 TIMOTHY 3;1-5

 

[17th Angel]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

And they come back to life (sometimes in the morgue). They aren't part-dead.

I would pay to see the face someone would make in that situation... I'd be like... "oooh you lucky barsteward..." Such a priceless look on the face... Be the other way round if it was a "close" rich relative... Then I'd be the one with the pricless look.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

I would pay to see the face someone would make in that situation... I'd be like... "oooh you lucky barsteward..." Such a priceless look on the face... Be the other way round if it was a "close" rich relative... Then I'd be the one with the pricless look.

did you watch HEROES on the telly when that girl was in the morgue.

 

[17th Angel]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

did you watch HEROES on the telly when that girl was in the morgue.

Now, I -swear- I had... Because this is the first time you have come out of that shell and said something from your own words... Curse the day I decided not to watch heroes..... I bet it was Crazy eh Mee?

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Do we really have an immortal soul? If the soul is actually not immortal, then how could such a false teaching become an integral part of so many of today’s religions? Where did the idea come from? It is imperative that we find truthful and satisfying answers to these questions because our future depends on it.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

The fact is that the Zoroastrians of ancient Persia and the Egyptians before them also believed in the immortality of the soul. The question, then, is, What is the source of this teaching?

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Because JW's will not accept that an animal has a "soul" quote]
Jehovahs witnesses believe that animals are souls , just as the bible informs us .
The initial occurrences of ne´phesh are found at Genesis 1:20-23. On the fifth creative "day" God said: "‘Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls [ne´phesh] and let flying creatures fly over the earth . . . ’ And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters and every living soul [ne´phesh] that moves about, which the waters swarmed forth according to their kinds, and every winged flying creature according to its kind." Similarly on the sixth creative "day" ne´phesh is applied to the "domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth" as "living souls."—Ge 1:24.

After man’s creation, God’s instruction to him again used the term ne´phesh with regard to the animal creation, "everything moving upon the earth in which there is life as a soul [literally, in which there is living soul (ne´phesh)]." (Ge 1:30) Other examples of animals being so designated are found at Genesis 2:19; 9:10-16; Leviticus 11:10, 46; 24:18; Numbers 31:28; Ezekiel 47:9. Notably, the Christian Greek Scriptures coincide in applying the Greek psy·khe´ to animals, as at Revelation 8:9; 16:3, where it is used of creatures in the sea.​

Thus, the Scriptures clearly show that ne´phesh and psy·khe´ are used to designate the animal creation lower than man. The same terms apply to man.

 

[Quahom1]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Do we really have an immortal soul? If the soul is actually not immortal, then how could such a false teaching become an integral part of so many of today’s religions? Where did the idea come from? It is imperative that we find truthful and satisfying answers to these questions because our future depends on it.

My soul is immortal, the instant I accepted Christ...mee. Like Monopoly, I got a get out of jail card, as well as go past Go, and collect $200.00

That is Christ's promise to us all. Too bad you waste your efforts on getting into heaven, instead of dealing with us here and now, knowing you have a place in heaven. I'm sorry, I could never be a JW. I only have enough energy to look after others or myself...not both.

I chose a long time ago to look out for others, and hence enjoy the 'fruits', while I'm here.

It's a good choice I made.

Bless you mee, and God speed.

v/r

Q

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

I only have enough energy to look after others or myself...not both.

if we dont look after our selves in a spiritual way ,we would not be in a position to help others . so we have to think about others and ourselves .
"Pay constant attention to yourself and to your teaching. Stay by these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you."—1 Tim. 4:16.

 

[Pico]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Do we really have an immortal soul? If the soul is actually not immortal, then how could such a false teaching become an integral part of so many of today’s religions? Where did the idea come from? It is imperative that we find truthful and satisfying answers to these questions because our future depends on it.

What about the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus? Luke16:19-31

Both people were obviously conscious after they died.

And what about the transfiguration? If the soul is not immortal, how was Jesus talking to Moses, and Elijah?

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

What about the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus? Luke16:19-31

Both people were obviously conscious after they died.

And what about the transfiguration? If the soul is not immortal, how was Jesus talking to Moses, and Elijah?

Jesus always spoke with many illustrations , and the transfiguration was a vision .
The transfiguration vision was a brilliant foregleam of Christ in Kingdom glory. (Matthew 17:1-9) That vision strengthened the faith of Peter, James, and John at a time when many had left off following Jesus because he had not fulfilled their unscriptural expectations. Likewise, in this time of the end, Jehovah has strengthened the faith of his modern-day servants by shedding increased light on the fulfillment of that awesome vision and many related prophecies. it is a fact that Jesus in kingdom power will have others with him , they are the annoited ones , and there will be 144,000, so why does the vision show Moses and Elijah with Jesus, it shows them because they represent the 144,000, the annointed of God are like these two because they do a work like them.
such Christians, while still in the flesh, do a work similar to that performed by Moses and Elijah. For example, they serve as Jehovah’s witnesses, even in the face of persecution. (Isaiah 43:10; Acts 8:1-8; Revelation 11:2-12) Like Moses and Elijah, they courageously expose false religion while exhorting sincere people to give God exclusive devotion. (Exodus 32:19, 20; Deuteronomy 4:22-24; 1 Kings 18:18-40) Has their work borne fruit? Absolutely! Besides helping to gather the full complement of anointed ones, they have helped millions of "other sheep" to show willing submission to Jesus Christ.—John 10:16; Revelation 7:4.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

What about the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus? Luke16:19-31

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Jesus here uses the rich man to represent the Jewish religious leaders, including not only the Pharisees and the scribes but the Sadducees and the chief priests as well. They are rich in spiritual privileges and opportunities, and they conduct themselves as the rich man did. Their clothing of royal purple represents their favored position, and the white linen pictures their self-righteousness.
This proud rich-man class views the poor, common people with utter contempt, calling them ‛am ha·’a´rets, or people of the earth. The beggar Lazarus thus represents these people to whom the religious leaders deny proper spiritual nourishment and privileges. Hence, like Lazarus covered with ulcers, the common people are looked down upon as spiritually diseased and fit only to associate with dogs. Yet, those of the Lazarus class hunger and thirst for spiritual nourishment and so are at the gate, seeking to receive whatever meager morsels of spiritual food may drop from the rich man’s table.​

Jesus now goes on to describe changes in the condition of the rich man and Lazarus.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

jesus only uses parables or "illustrations" that are true--never something made up.

 

[mee]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

jesus only uses parables or "illustrations" that are true--never something made up.

Jesus used little things to explain big things, easy things to explain hard things.
Illustrations impress meaningful pictures on our mind, helping us more fully to grasp new ideas. Jesus was outstanding in his use of illustrations. (Mark 4:33, 34)
His use of illustrations serves the purpose of helping to reveal the heart attitude of people.

 

[wil]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

jesus only uses parables or "illustrations" that are true--never something made up.

excuse me? Are you saying it is written somewhere that the parables were true or the moral of the story is true??

 

[Faithfulservant]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

excuse me? Are you saying it is written somewhere that the parables were true or the moral of the story is true??

Why is that hard to believe? Some of us think that that Jesus used real stories to teach His lessons

He didnt have to "make-believe" His stories...

 

[wil]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

Why is that hard to believe? Some of us think that that Jesus used real stories to teach His lessons

He didn't have to "make-believe" His stories...

I'm not saying that it is hard to believe. It could be true. But I've simply never heard it before. Or read it before.

Is there scripture to support this? I thought scripture says he used parables as examples to explain...

What is currently hard to believe is those that I rely on to stick to scriputure seem to be going out of the book for info??

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

excuse me? Are you saying it is written somewhere that the parables were true or the moral of the story is true??

you are excused.

 

[wil]

Re: Jehovah witnesses.

you are excused.

Are my favorite bible thumpers not willing to thump to prove this allegation?

Surely you wouldn't go off making stuff up...conventional wisdom says parables are well....parables.