Reconcling Christianity and Islam ?

I would like to have some regard for Mohamed and Islam, but as a Christian I just think I cant, IMO he was not a prophet of God.

I suppose the only way I can have any respect for Islam is out of respect for peoples right to believe what they want to believe.
 
GlorytoGod said:
I would like to have some regard for Mohamed and Islam, but as a Christian I just think I cant, IMO he was not a prophet of God.

I suppose the only way I can have any respect for Islam is out of respect for peoples right to believe what they want to believe.
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How about another angle? Respect for your brother your neighbour? Because he is your brother, your neighbour?
 
Farhan,

If I was to come out with such talk today i would in very short order be carted of, diagnosed a schizophrenic and given some happy pills. Muhammad, if the texts are truly his 'visions' was clearly barking.

You can write a long narrative on anything but every one has its pivotal statements. As Islam commands you to deception I expect no less than for you to try and hide that truth.

Just like Mosaic law was superceded by Muhammaden law. Who told you God changes his mind? He gives people laws according to their needs.
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God? lol, Islam may use the word "Allah" a lot, but its founders and it spreaders only Gods were themselves. I fully understand abrogation. I understand how it is applied in the Koran. And, I repeat, I understand Muslims are instructed to lie.


tao
 
Dogbrain said:
You specifically demanded that I abandon Orthdoxy. I will not abandon the Orthodox Church, nor will I abandon her doctrines. That hasn't stopped me from being friendly enough to Muslims of my acquaintance.
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After my 6 years in Messinia region I do not know that much about the 'philosophy' of Orthodoxy. But I can say with certitude that it is just as corrupt and hypocritical, at the clergy level, as any I have seen. Ecclaseia sto megalo hypocratia as I used to call it. Mostly because the 'taxes' they raised seemed to be spent mostly in the brothels. Of course that is just a personal observation.

tao
 
You specifically demanded that I abandon Orthdoxy. I will not abandon the Orthodox Church, nor will I abandon her doctrines. That hasn't stopped me from being friendly enough to Muslims of my acquaintance.
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Apologies for seeming to demand that, and I don't demand it nor do I suggest your faith is less than another's. You are free, however.
 
Tao_Equus said:
Muhammad, if the texts are truly his 'visions' was clearly barking.
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This is your personal opinion.. right? Or do you have any recordings ?


You can write a long narrative on anything but every one has its pivotal statements. As Islam commands you to deception I expect no less than for you to try and hide that truth.
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The whole long narrative is pivotal, not the half sentence that you pick to spread your lies. The truth.....lmao.

I fully understand abrogation. I understand how it is applied in the Koran.
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So abrogation is ....?

And, I repeat, I understand Muslims are instructed to lie.
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Do you have a recording of that too ?
 
Alex P said:
How about another angle? Respect for your brother your neighbour? Because he is your brother, your neighbour?
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I think thats the conclusion I came to, I cant respect the belief because I think its wrong, but I can respect the persons right to believe it.
 
GlorytoGod said:
Jesus said

John 14:6 (New International Version)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

So where does Mohammad fit into this ?

as far as I can see Mohamed does not fit into this because Mohammad was not a prophet of God.

What are peoples thoughts on this ?
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Way, Truth & Life. Jesus was criticizing Temple extremists who said that ritual sacrifices, rules, and dogma were the way to the Father. Objecting to this, Jesus impersonated the elements Way (Halacha), Truth & Life (see Garden of Eden) to make them speak to us. It is a language device used similarly to the way wisdom speaks in Proverbs. The writer in Proverbs is not claiming to be wisdom, nor is Jesus claiming to literally be Life. This interpretation goes better along with other things that Jesus said. This device is also used when Abel's blood speaks from the earth and when the heavens declare the glory of God.
 
Dogbrain said:
"Rex" is not a Greek word.


And it's nice to know that you are willing to dismiss "Greek Christians" so flippantly. Tells me everything I need to know about your credibility.
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Its nice to know that you are willing to dismiss my credibility without knowing how I really feel about Greek Christians. Quite flippant.

Rex in the new Testament was written in Greek, and refers to the Latin idea of king. But you don't need me to tell you that. You can linger on this or you can recognize that my post was fine the way it was.
 
Oh, yea, and Rex was used only on a sign but not in the bible. It wasn't seen as Rex until after it was re-translated from Basileuv. Thus, Rex in the New Testament was written in Greek.

This had nothing to do with pandering to ressentiments of Augustus's victory in Actium did it? At least Jesus could say "let what is Caesar's belong to Caesar."
 
farhan said:
This is your personal opinion.. right? Or do you have any recordings ?
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All my statements are only ever personal opinions, what are yours? All my opinions are formed from the search for truth. Not as an absolute but as truths that fit the evidence. I do not rely on a single dogma, indeed I try to reject all dogma. To me all my views on what I infer about Muhammad and the Koran can all be arrived at by a critical analysis of it using historical record and texts and looking at all the sociological conditions and motivations with clinical neutrality. I view all religions in some sense, or metaphorically, as infections. Now you get mild, even entirely benign infections and yes symbiotically beneficent ones, and you get serious life threatening ones. Islam to my mind is the most serious, damaging and virulent of all. I do not dislike the people. I dislike their disease.


The whole long narrative is pivotal, not the half sentence that you pick to spread your lies. The truth.....lmao.
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I do not lie. And I am not compelled by any dogma to do so.


So abrogation is ....?
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plenty of threads I have explained this already. So enough of me describing it. Why do not you describe it and what it means for a full understanding of what takes precedence in the Koran?

Do you have a recording of that too ?
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lol, Islamists often sound like broken records. Like broken records. Like broken records...............


tao
 
GlorytoGod said:
Reconciling Christianity and Islam ?

Can it be done ?

Jesus Said:"John 14:6 (New International Version)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "

So where does Mohammad fit into this ?
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When Abraham, Noah, Jaccob,Moses, Jesus (and all prophets) (pbuth) were sent from God to nations, they all had to say that:" I m the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to God except through me", noting that people at that time were living far from God's teachings.

Mohamed (pbuh) was sent to his people by the same message to his people who were also living far from God's teachings.

It is the same message that all the prophets came with because they were all sent by one GOD.

YOU ARE ASKING:" where does Mohammad fit into this?" I AM ANSWERING: "Mohamed came with the same message, glorytogod. He was the first in his tribe to submit to God, and bore a lot of troubles to show God's way to others"

glorytogod said:
as far as I can see Mohamed does not fit into this because Mohammad was not a prophet of God.
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Have you take the trouble yourself to make sure of that, or you let the media to do it for you?

glorytogod said:
What are peoples thoughts on this ?
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My toughts are the followings:

" To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. T o each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan) is to test you in what he hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute" (5:48)
 
Tao_Equus said:
All my statements are only ever personal opinions, what are yours? All my opinions are formed from the search for truth. Not as an absolute but as truths that fit the evidence. I do not rely on a single dogma, indeed I try to reject all dogma. To me all my views on what I infer about Muhammad and the Koran can all be arrived at by a critical analysis of it using historical record and texts and looking at all the sociological conditions and motivations with clinical neutrality. I view all religions in some sense, or metaphorically, as infections. Now you get mild, even entirely benign infections and yes symbiotically beneficent ones, and you get serious life threatening ones. Islam to my mind is the most serious, damaging and virulent of all. I do not dislike the people. I dislike their disease.


I do not lie. And I am not compelled by any dogma to do so.


plenty of threads I have explained this already. So enough of me describing it. Why do not you describe it and what it means for a full understanding of what takes precedence in the Koran?

lol, Islamists often sound like broken records. Like broken records. Like broken records...............


tao
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Do you have anything worthwhile to say, or you just wanna keep repeating yourself?
 
Dogbrain said:
Christianity: Jesus Christ is God.
Islam: Jesus Christ is not God.

I'd say there's no reconciling that.
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Jesus says that each of us is God incarnate.
Sufism and Baha'i agree.
Reconciliation accomplished.

That was easy. Next non-issue?
 
farhan said:
Do you have anything worthwhile to say, or you just wanna keep repeating yourself?
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Those who are mired in hatred and fear as he is have no other choice but to repeat their hatred and fear. It is their hell.
 
omprem said:
Those who are mired in hatred and fear as he is have no other choice but to repeat their hatred and fear. It is their hell.
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I have no hate. There is a gulf of difference between hate and the need to expose hate. They are opposites. I am sorry that you are not yet bright enough to see that. That is your hell.


tao
 
GlorytoGod said:
e Mohammad was not a prophet of God.

What are peoples thoughts on this ?
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My reaction would be that it's vague.

What would be a definition of a prophet we can agree on?

By what criteria do we identify someone as a prophet?
 
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