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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    I'd say the definition and nature of love should be questioned by both the giver and receiver. People go to war against others claiming it is a sacrifice for love of their family or country at home. What does the receiver of that hellish deed think? How warm and fuzzy is the battlefield? How...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    Let me try your theory: "That's the beauty of walking in and living through money. Not only are those who know and have money blessed, they inevitably become a blessing to others also." All I did was a word substitute. The word 'sin' fits even better. Have you heard the term, "Beauty is in the...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    I appreciate those who think, do, and speak honestly per the golden rule. I recall a person who claimed to be a Christian and walked around pronouncing that he was blessed. I would respond, "Are you going to be a blessing today?" It was often very distant from his mind and his actions.
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    Heaven and Hell are anthropomorphic constructs...

    I found the scene I was thinking of on youtube. Here it is. "I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. " - Robert Frost. I'd say: not for the sake of not...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    Sorry you are unhappy. Thanks for the exchange. :)
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    False. I have used the word 'interact' to be more than an exchange of words. If you use the word 'interact' to be an exchange of words, then I regard a relationship to be more than an interaction. I am a human, so your context of 'all humans' does not truly encompass 'all humans'. If you regard...
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    Heaven and Hell are anthropomorphic constructs...

    Here is another variation of a person conducting an experiment to demonstrate train thought, and train movement. Although her method was more dishonest with the kids at first, I believe many learned for the better. Jane Elliott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jane Elliott's Blue Eyes/Brown...
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    Heaven and Hell are anthropomorphic constructs...

    I rather side with professor Keating of the movie, Dead Poet Society. Sure he could. In the movie he conducts an exercise demonstrating the mechanisation of train thought, and train movement. You would do better to make the children your teacher. Instead you make leaders out of government, the...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    If I were you, I would reconsider the ownership of a belief. I do not believe Gatekeeper has said anywhere that he has manufactured his view of heaven or hell. If he did, then I submit that it would be his, and not Christian. You are welcome to praise or rag on the viewpoints that I express...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    I did not extrapolate it, I read it: The truth is that we don't know with certainty. We do know that this world can be a place of suffering and torment for many people, though. In my time I have used the word 'we', and if there was not a measurement of input from the others that I included in...
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    Heaven and Hell are anthropomorphic constructs...

    I think Jesus would say that as you are ready to follow him: prepare to be tormented, and pick up your cross. I think you are somewhat correct: both heart and mind. I do still get asked frequently to travel and raise a gun. My aim though is not to kill, nor to disarm, my aim is to arm and...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    If that case is true for the person who says, 'We', then the use of the word 'We' has been a fuzzy manufactured lie, which was my point. See the irony? 'We the people' is a well defended lie: conjecture, an extrapolation, a manufactured fuzzy falsehood, as it states knowing something about...
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    Heaven and Hell are anthropomorphic constructs...

    There are a number of ways, and for a number of purposes, with which to drive a vehicle. I evaluate the compassion in your driving differently than you do, and I suspect as I evaluate the compassion of my own driving that you would evaluate it differently too. One way to drive is to figure...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    So you recite that the wages of sin is death, but then suggest that the sin of Jesus was to be born of a woman. Interesting thought. Sort of like saying it was his fault for living here. You say that Jesus died like you, but from your words it does not sound like you would be willing to die like...
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    Heaven and Hell are anthropomorphic constructs...

    As I read it, Jesus did not covet bliss, nor pursue it. Perhaps someone reads differently? Trying it on: He really went into the desert to meditate, seeking bliss. He travelled all over in the pursuit of bliss. He once stayed up all night in the meditative pursuit of bliss. Not finding it, he...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    So you believe that Jesus was just getting what he deserved. A karmic debt that he could not avoid. He must have deserved a painful death. He didn't want to be here: he had to be here. Not really a punishment, but a preparation for God's Kingdom, meaning that he was not truly prepared for God's...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    Not as you described it. Your words regarding your purpose are forever yours, and your deeds are yours alone, despite your feeble attempt to ascribe it to everyone else. The point I made is that the hell is not really a place. More like a set of choices, of deeds and the absence of deeds. You...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    As you say 'we', I think you vainely attempt to ascribe yourself upon others, and you seem to similarly call yourself a Christian. So lets review the definition of 'Son' as used by Jesus in the gospel. With John 8:39-47, there are three examples to draw from: son of God, son of Abraham, and...
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    Going through hell before we get to heaven

    I think it wise to allow sinners to live and learn from the mistakes they will inevitably make, which requires having and maintaining relationships with sinners. Example: Jesus did not come to flock with people who were like him. Jesus did not exactly distance himself from those who acted with...
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    Heaven and Hell are anthropomorphic constructs...

    Do good, speak sharply, and carry no stick.
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