One Year in Your Religion

That is a reasonable approach, I suppose. I would think that if there was anyone on this forum with the openmindedness to partake in such an endeavor, you would be a frontrunner.

Aw, thanks.

That's a relief. I'm glad that it will be more than just a scientific and academic curiosity.

Far more. I am a sincerely seeking, faithful person. I am faithful God, and that I couldn't give up, but I am very open-minded about what God could be. This was first a personal journey I had in mind, and would continue to be so, which is why I would not go after grant money for it unless it was Nat Geo or something that would respect my entire personal plan and reasoning. I wouldn't go after grants as a scientist because then I'd be bound to do it as an academic enterprise, and that's not what it's about at all.

That said, I do expect that I will find out some things in terms of methodology and theory that I can contribute later to the academic study of religion. My long-time suspicion is that an academic study of religion, without sincere personal seeking after transformation, is rather empty and is missing much of what religion is really about. So I'll be curious to compare my 12 years of relatively academic study of other religions to my however-many-years of personal study.

I also figured if I was going to do this project, I might as well "do it right" and be sure to abide by the ethics and standards of my discipline. As I already explained, this training allows me to foresee problems with leaping in and out of communities and therefore ensure that there is minimal disruption and fostering of ongoing relationships after each year.

Sure, we ought to approach anything we encounter with a bit of skepticism, and that will be predicated by our current worldview, no matter how hard we try to suppress our biases and beliefs. And I suspect that you will be more skeptical of some religions than you will be of others. Your analytical mind will try to form reasons why you shouldn't believe in such and such. All very natural. On the otherhand, you may be willing to adopt some aspect of the system you involved in.

Exactly.

At the end of each timeframe, however, you will have to evaluate just how much you believe or place in your life. And while there will be many commonalities between religions, there are probably far more differences. It would be interesting to know how you will reconcil these.

I am interested in this as well. I do not know if I can reconcile them. I am not doing this to build my own interfaith religion, but rather to deeply experience each religion one at a time, then see what happens to me. To be honest, I have limitations. There is no way I can build a religion out of all these different religions, and I don't intend to try. But what I can do is approach each one very openly, one at a time, in an effort to understand as much as I possibly can the worldview, the faith, the experience of that one religion. And at the end, I can compare my experience and feeling in each and see what comes out of it.

Even if I experience all of them as speaking to one underlying truth, that does not mean they are. It would mean that it is how they interact in me. This is why that part of the project is inherently personal and cannot be academic, except to point out that religion interacts differently with every human being, because we are all different.

Oh, you will have a permanent belief. It may not concur exactly to a particular faith system, but it will be your's. You will still have a path of one. ;)

Well, I have beliefs, but they're not permanent. I see them as "best guesses" that change given my circumstances and experiences. Which is one of the reasons why a journey like this will be interesting. I suspect that an underlying facet of my personality is an inherent tendency to see life in potentiality rather than solidity... this will be difficult to overcome in any religion that demands solidity, but on the other hand comes in handy in a project like this, because I really can put aside beliefs I have and see if experiences give me new ones.

BTW, have you thought of where you plan to begin your journey?

As a matter of suggestion, may I encourage you to start with the earliest religions and move forward. I gather from your Druidian experiences that you are already familiar with the primitive animistic religions (not suggesting that you sacrifice animals, but your are familiar with the communion with nature, right). The next religion would spring from Egypt, but I don't know of many faith groups associated with it.

Staying with the major religions, which I assume is you intention, at least on the outset, you would then start with Hinduism, then Judaism, followed by Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam. This progression would allow you to see how certain faiths evolved.

I am thinking about it and I haven't decided yet. One idea I had is this one you offer here. The other idea I had was to do the time-related thing, but split into Eastern and Western religions, so that the progression of religions was ordered in terms of X came from Y.

For example, Hinduism then Buddhism. Then switch and go to Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Bahai (if I did the last two). Paganism is a hard one to place because modern Paganism isn't the same as animism, and traditional animism is not accessible without a fairly large bit of funding.

Wicca and Druidry are syncretic modern religions that were influenced by Christianity combined with interpretations of traditional Celtic religion. Traditional animism as you find in hunter-gatherer groups, is exceedingly hard to find in the States in a form that has not been impacted a lot by Christianity. Furthermore, they are Native American traditions and often not accessible by the public. The closest ones I know of that are nearly intact in their original form are in remote areas of Canada and I'd have to take a year off from life to do the work, which I can't afford to do and also misses the point somewhat, as I'm trying to look at religion as a personal journey that is feasible to carry on after the project ends.

Perhaps I can find a Shinto temple to join up with in Southern CA? I'll have to look to see if they have one, but that might be the best option I can find for animism and would round out the Eastern religions.

I am still unclear if I would be tackling: Taoism, Bahai, and Sikhism. I may think of more.

There are hundreds of religions in the world, so I do have to be selective, but I'm trying to be sure to hit all the major ones (at least one big representative of each religious system).

May I also suggest, a matter of diveristy, that in regards to Christianity, you would break it down to two separate journeys: one involving the Catholic faith, the other with a Protestant denomination. (or maybe not, for what I gather you are already affiliated with a certain Protestant denomination). Perhaps though, if you haven't been too deeply involved, you could commit yourself more into it. Or go to a different, like say Baptist or Charismatic, just for kicks and giggles.

This part of it is really tricky and I'm hoping to gain some insight from people here as well as religious studies and anthropology advisors I have contacted. Though I am not so sure it is any different from the problem of Theravada vs Mahayana vs Zen Buddhism or Sunni vs. Shi'ite Muslims. Again, I have to be somewhat selective so I don't go nuts and spend my entire life bouncing around. I really don't want to do more than a decade of this- even I have my limits and would want to synthesize at some point. :eek:

My concerns with Christianity and how to pick are:

1. Liturgical vs. Non-Liturgical: I've experienced both for several years (I had at least several years of experience in Lutheran, Baptist, Calvary Chapel, and Episcopalian). The two are really very different balls of wax in terms of experience.

2. That said, non-liturgical churches, from my experience, don't have much going on in terms of religious structure outside of church. There is no "daily office" as we have in the liturgical churches that would structure a devout member's daily life. So the non-liturgical churches tend to be pretty common in terms of American life- you go to church on Sunday and then try to be a good person all week. Which isn't any different than my usual life. I've long been a devout person in terms of my spiritual journey, but I have never been a devout religious adherant to any religion. My questions are primarily about how devotion to a religious community in daily life impacts sense of self, identity, faith, belief, and so forth. So I'm looking to maximize my experience of religion, and I'm skeptical that non-liturgical churches (most of them, such as Baptist or CC) would offer enough structure to do that. And if I'm coming up with my own structure, while it fits well with American individualism ideals, it would end up looking somewhat like DIY religion- that is, not any different from what I already do.

3. So... there are non-liturgical Christian churches that are highly demanding in terms of practice, like Orthodox Quakers or Amish, but these may or may not be accessible and they are considered somewhat "fringe" (that is, very small groups) in Christianity, so they are not very representative.

4. Liturgical Catholic vs. Liturgical Protestant. Are these really very different or just differently run organizations? That is, Catholicism looks an awful like Anglicanism and Lutheranism in experience. So if I do Catholicism and Anglican, for example, will that be a lot like doing two years in a single religion? Furthermore, what to do with the issue that I can't take sacraments in Catholicism, but can as an Anglican?

5. I can't not do Catholicism. It is the oldest denomination, it is humongous in membership, it is global.

6. What about Orthodox? I don't even KNOW anything about Orthodox! But I've heard it is much more attentive to mysticism as part of the religious experience. So maybe Orthodoxy is a go? But what to do with the fact that it is highly tied to ethnicity in most areas, so I may end up attending a church that is in Russian or something? I guess I could learn Russian the year before in anticipation, which isn't an impossibility or anything... It's normal in anthro. to do language preparation, but it adds one more thing to my schedule in the year before.

7. What about the charismatics? They're growing in the US, but how common are they globally and are their numbers significant given the huge-ness of Catholicism and Orthodoxy? Can I even "do" charismatic given my personality type? I'm honest about my limitations, and charismatic/pentecostal stuff just tends to shut my brain down. I'm too introverted and sensitive to emotion, so it's like going to a church like that overloads the circuits and fries my brain. I just end up numb and kind of ill feeling (literally, I get sick to my stomach) every time I've tried it. Would it get normal in a year? I dunno. The chaos and emotion of Calvary Chapel didn't get normal, and I stayed for two years hoping it would.

8. I also have to be careful about my own biases. At both Baptist and CC churches, I couldn't stand the number of groups of people that were said to be going to hell. It grated on me in a very wearing and depressing way. Even if I can force belief in hell, I cannot force belief in intolerance and ignorance about other people's belief systems and lives. I am willing to embrace beliefs about God, the world (ie, creation and so forth), my life and how I should live it... but I am not willing to try out hating other people, endorse taking away people's rights, or acting ignorant of the complexity I know already is in other religions. That is, while I can be devout, I cannot be intolerant and I do believe there is a difference in every religion. There are a number of churches in the US who seem to focus more on assigning groups of people to hell than in daily life practices, and I want to steer clear of this. I think it's within my rights to do so, because this is a personal journey. I want it to be representative of each religion, but not representative of the extreme or hating part of each religion. First, there have been plenty of studies on that already. And second, this journey is primarily for me- for my personal curiosity and path- and fundamentally, I am about love and compassion.

9. So what the heck do I do with Protestantism? Go with the numbers (pick one of the largest groups) as a representation? I could theoretically do one year Catholic, another Orthodox, and a final one Protestant... but Protestantism is like a crazy bush that just keeps sprouting new and very different branches. There is little in common between Quakers, Anglicans, Pentecostalists, and Methodists. They differ in every way- their interpretations of scripture, their beliefs, their practices. You could spend a whole lifetime just bouncing around within Protestantism, and unlike the endless variety in Buddhism, there are few core teachings to unify them and many Protestants think that your denomination matters in terms of salvation (whereas the Buddhists believe in upaya- expedient means).

Catholicism is an easy one to do because it is unified, more or less. Orthodox is less accessible, but I still suspect is not too difficult to pick a denomination that will work and go with it. But Protestantism is like a giant crazy garden and I'm looking at honeysuckle, roses, daffodils, tulips- this endless variety and wondering which to pick, knowing each is very different given my previous foray into four denominations.
 
Interestingly once called a 'mickey mouse' subject, anthropological research methods are now being applied to the normally text based religious studies as there obviously has been found a large gap between theory and practice of religious adherents worldwide. The catch word is now 'as lived'; l found the methodological agnosticism of Ninian Smart and his use of seven dimensions of religion - social/institutional, ethical, doctrinal/philosophical, material and mythological/narrative helpful in comparative studies.

Exactly. And yet I would also say, as a critique of cultural anthropology, there is too much tendency to focus on the social as opposed to the individual- so it again becomes a stilted way to look at an institution that is profoundly both about the social and the individual, perhaps more so than any other institution. This is why I found combining approaches I learned in comparative religion with those in anthropology useful. I'm familiar with Ninian Smart and I find that to be useful, but again- misses the individual/experiential. This is why phenomenology, a method some archaeologists have used in landscape theory, for example (it's been applied in other topics as well) would be useful. That is, I am not just participating and observing to record what I see, but what I feel.

No l didn't complete my honours as l stupidly [or not] got pregnant and all academic interest went out the window; l did go back to do an M.A. [sic] by taking celtic civilisation and 2nd yr history of art but vocation was a no go after having another child 3 years later. l still haven't gotten to Jamaica!

Well, I still haven't gotten to having children... and I suspect having children is far more satisfying than field research. :eek:

Have you considered Rudolf Steiner? Here there are schools, farm estates and residential facilities for mentally handicapped, herbal pharmacies etc where foreign students come and help out. As it is anthroposophical it has Christ in mind [though as christian 'science' don't know how that would sit with you]?

I'm open to most things (see what I told Dondi) and will look into it. My concern in Christianity is trying to be representative, but realizing I can't be fully representative.

Do I pick what I'm interested in? What is representative? What do I do with spin-offs that are interesting but really unique?
 
hi netti netti

l agree with you, it has been found that many things/acts which seem 'mundane' are actually 'religious' and missed by the outsider trying to be an insider. Karen Armstrong considers her writing and research a religious act [her that used to be a nun].

Exactly. This is why the devout insider experience is worth it to me. I tend to see my whole life as sacred- there is no mundane. From my studies in anthropology of religion, I think that is the usual human pattern. But an outsider must hang around long enough to understand what's really going on, which is why we do extensive fieldwork.
 
This makes me wonder - what about "putting your toe in the water" before making the year long commitment to each or any practice? (for example at the SFZC I see there is "daily meditation...practice periods, classes, lectures, and workshops").

s.

In many religions, including Buddhism, I've dunked a toe in the water... but I suspect that without a solid time commitment and willingness to leap in, you just don't get the same understanding or experience. What do you think?
 
I spent the first eighteen years of my life growing up with Muslims, Eastern Orthodox Catholics and Jewish folk (as well as a Hell's Angel trying to balance his biker life with a neighborhood social life). Even had a couple of atheists living on the block.

Know what I learned? Children are to be seen and not heard. But-children are to be protected at all costs (that ran clear across the gambit of life concepts. And children were taught "don't do what I did, you can do better". That too ran across the spectrum. I had many "fathers and mothers" that had no problem tanning my hide if they caught me screwing up, and then they would tell my parents, and I'd get it again.

The gentlest one was the Hell's angel...he would shake his head, bust my butt, then told me why, and then tell me of his life stories while I rubbed my bruised backside. His was a strange religion, in that he insisted I never follow the path he had taken. (he drank himself to death)

The most loving were the Muslims. I would come home (years later), in uniform and they came over and hugged and kissed and shook hands and patted shoulders, and made feasts of lamb and beef. They would argue, ARGUE world politics, and get heated in debates, yet always a hand would touch every once in awhile as a sign of reassurance that it wasn't you they were angry at. Going to their Mosque was so insightful, and it was weird. Up to the door you were a guest, but once you removed your shoes and entered, you were no different than the rest of them. The Imam, would stop his sermon and come talk with you directly, in a welcoming fashion. Then the service began, and it was firey.

If I'm boring you I'll stop here.
 
@ Bandit and Q-

I'd welcome descriptions of your interfaith experiences, both of you. You both know me well enough to know it won't be boring, and I'd like to hear about what you felt, did, and so forth. :)

@ C0de-

Thanks for the link! I will watch it this evening and follow up with questions if I have any. I am definitely curious about the modesty issue, because I've grown up in not only a very skin-friendly nation, but in one of the most skin-friendly regions of that nation. Southern California is a sea of skin. I have a number of observations I've made about that, but it's not for this thread. Maybe I'll start a new one after my existing thread dies. :) I do think that changing how I dress and being in a community of covered-up people will necessarily have an effect on how I feel about myself and others in this manner... and it's one of the things I'm curious to experience.

I plan to adopt a devout person's wardrobe for each of the years.
 
as you know full well the diversity between and within traditions why not study say buddhism in a buddhist country and one in your own [of the same 'school'] to see the differences westernisation makes,as it is evolving; could be done with all of the religions, l hear there are more hindu temples in the U.S. though l suspect the are an amalgamation of all the dieties for wide coverage!
 
@ Bandit and Q-

I'd welcome descriptions of your interfaith experiences, both of you. You both know me well enough to know it won't be boring, and I'd like to hear about what you felt, did, and so forth. :)

@ C0de-

Thanks for the link! I will watch it this evening and follow up with questions if I have any. I am definitely curious about the modesty issue, because I've grown up in not only a very skin-friendly nation, but in one of the most skin-friendly regions of that nation. Southern California is a sea of skin. I have a number of observations I've made about that, but it's not for this thread. Maybe I'll start a new one after my existing thread dies. :) I do think that changing how I dress and being in a community of covered-up people will necessarily have an effect on how I feel about myself and others in this manner... and it's one of the things I'm curious to experience.

I plan to adopt a devout person's wardrobe for each of the years.
I'm not so sure that deliberately "cloistering" your self is going to provide you with insight as to other faiths. Having experiencing your personality up front and in person, I'd give you...about a week, before you start tearing the robes from your body. Furthermore, I am not so certain that your man would like it either.

You were not born or raised in certain environments, and your folks helped instill a sense of independence in you.

I'm not simply talking about the Muslim way, but also the catholic nun's way, or the Tibetan way, or other "woman in submission" ways. You my friend, are anything but submissive. :eek:

If you were to dress the "part", and a person of such culture saw you and expected you to play the part, they would be in for a rude awakening, and you would feel bad.

You are you. Celebrate that fact.

my two cents.
 
I'm not so sure that deliberately "cloistering" your self is going to provide you with insight as to other faiths. Having experiencing your personality up front and in person, I'd give you...about a week, before you start tearing the robes from your body. Furthermore, I am not so certain that your man would like it either.

You were not born or raised in certain environments, and your folks helped instill a sense of independence in you.

I'm not simply talking about the Muslim way, but also the catholic nun's way, or the Tibetan way, or other "woman in submission" ways. You my friend, are anything but submissive. :eek:

If you were to dress the "part", and a person of such culture saw you and expected you to play the part, they would be in for a rude awakening, and you would feel bad.

You are you. Celebrate that fact.

my two cents.

Peace, brother

It s a pleasure for me to address you after a long time of forced "rupture":D....I hope you and yours are all right...

I just want to interfere to comment about the phrase "women in submission"...

Actually, Muslim women wear special clothes that cover all her body except her face and hands. The clothes shouldnt be transparent or tight.

Now, I am going to talk about those women who wear so not out of tradition or a man's authority, but rather I am going to talk about those who wear so in devotion for God alone, for the pleasure of connecting Him and serving Him...

Let me tell you, brother, that anyone in this world is submitting to something/someone be it lusts, whims, desires, man of power/authority, husband/wife...Anyway, ANY human being in this world is in submission to a sort of authority be it materialsitic or human...

As Muslims, we make submission to none but Allah. We submit to Him as the best source of everything...we live for Him and with Him and by Him...we live happily when we submit to Him cause His living/dwelling in us is the true life...

If one finds God, he/she finds everything...If one has not found God, then what does he/she find?!!

Yes, we are woman in submission when we wear the Islamic clothes, but we are in submission to God, and not to anything/anybody else...


Once I say that I am Muslim, I declare my submission to my Lord, and what is Islam but submission. I am a Muslim...I am a submitter to the real Guider...

The question remains, Quahom1, who else can give the right guidance: Is it a soul which is full of lasting conflicting blinding desires and whims that may take one to nowhere and let him/her lost in a circle of short sighted opinions...

I fully submit and live to submit to the Only and the One God...May He help us all the way...

God says:

[2:130] Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.
[2:131] When his Lord said to him, "Submit," he said, "I submit to the Lord of the universe."

[2:132] Moreover, Abraham exhorted his children to do the same, and so did Jacob: "O my children, GOD has pointed out the religion for you; do not die except as submitters."
 
Peace, brother

It s a pleasure for me to address you after a long time of forced "rupture":D....I hope you and yours are all right...

I just want to interfere to comment about the phrase "women in submission"...

Actually, Muslim women wear special clothes that cover all her body except her face and hands. The clothes shouldnt be transparent or tight.

Now, I am going to talk about those women who wear so not out of tradition or a man's authority, but rather I am going to talk about those who wear so in devotion for God alone, for the pleasure of connecting Him and serving Him...

Let me tell you, brother, that anyone in this world is submitting to something/someone be it lusts, whims, desires, man of power/authority, husband/wife...Anyway, ANY human being in this world is in submission to a sort of authority be it materialsitic or human...

As Muslims, we make submission to none but Allah. We submit to Him as the best source of everything...we live for Him and with Him and by Him...we live happily when we submit to Him cause His living/dwelling in us is the true life...

If one finds God, he/she finds everything...If one has not found God, then what does he/she find?!!

Yes, we are woman in submission when we wear the Islamic clothes, but we are in submission to God, and not to anything/anybody else...


Once I say that I am Muslim, I declare my submission to my Lord, and what is Islam but submission. I am a Muslim...I am a submitter to the real Guider...

The question remains, Quahom1, who else can give the right guidance: Is it a soul which is full of lasting conflicting blinding desires and whims that may take one to nowhere and let him/her lost in a circle of short sighted opinions...

I fully submit and live to submit to the Only and the One God...May He help us all the way...

God says:

[2:130] Who would forsake the religion of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.
[2:131] When his Lord said to him, "Submit," he said, "I submit to the Lord of the universe."

[2:132] Moreover, Abraham exhorted his children to do the same, and so did Jacob: "O my children, GOD has pointed out the religion for you; do not die except as submitters."
Fair enough. You remind me of Nadua, next door. She covers herself appropriately and it is in devotion. She approached her husband decades ago when they were first married and asked if she could go to college. He refused.

Fifteen years ago she approached her husband and told him she was going to college... and he asked how much did she need for the courses...lol.;)
 
as you know full well the diversity between and within traditions why not study say buddhism in a buddhist country and one in your own [of the same 'school'] to see the differences westernisation makes,as it is evolving; could be done with all of the religions, l hear there are more hindu temples in the U.S. though l suspect the are an amalgamation of all the dieties for wide coverage!

I'm not doing that because of the cost. LOL Would love to travel, but I have no money to do so. Luckily, I will be living in one of the most diverse religious areas of the world.
 
I'm not so sure that deliberately "cloistering" your self is going to provide you with insight as to other faiths. Having experiencing your personality up front and in person, I'd give you...about a week, before you start tearing the robes from your body. Furthermore, I am not so certain that your man would like it either.

Oh, actually I've entertained plain Quaker dress in public several times in the last five years or so as a social and personal experiment. Josh doesn't care much what I wear in public as long as in private I don't mind dressing nicely for him. LOL

You'd be surprised at how well I can blend in when I put my mind to it. My family calls me the "chameleon." I even pick up dialects easily. It's useful as an anthropologist.

In the case of the Muslim thing, I actually love the clothes so it wouldn't be that hard. I find their clothes beautiful and they also look comfortable.

You were not born or raised in certain environments, and your folks helped instill a sense of independence in you.

Do you think that Muslim women have no sense of independence? When I studied the Amish, many people assumed that the women had no sense of independence because in public they submitted to men. But in fact, the women had a large say in the household and men's public votes in the church were typically a balance between husband's and wife's opinions. It was just that all that was hashed out in private rather than public.

I think all religions require some independence and individuality to be given up to participate, just as cultures and social institutions do. But I don't think any of the moderate versions of any of the religions demand complete conformity.

I'm not simply talking about the Muslim way, but also the catholic nun's way, or the Tibetan way, or other "woman in submission" ways. You my friend, are anything but submissive. :eek:

I'm not submissive to other people. But I am submissive (or try to be) to God. I'd see it as trying out various ways people have decided to submit to God, not trying out submitting to various people. LOL

MuslimWoman, for example, never struck me as a woman who was submissive or dependent. But she did strike me as a devout Muslim.

Now, in terms of being submissive to my husband, that wouldn't work. Josh has no interest in having a submissive wife. He counts on me having my own ideas and opinions, on being an equal partner. Yet, I am not so sure that in practice, in the household, many religions that preach submission of wife to husband really operate very different from a peaceful household in which both partners share decision-making. It seems common to leave household decisions to the wife even when the husband is the "head" of the household... so one wonders what being head of household really means.

If you were to dress the "part", and a person of such culture saw you and expected you to play the part, they would be in for a rude awakening, and you would feel bad.

But that assumes I am not good at what I do, and that I would not explain my purpose from the beginning or get any proper guidance on religious cultural norms. Each year I would have at least one specialist advisor from my old religious studies department, plus I would choose a place of worship in which the leader would be open to my search and would be willing to provide me with some guidance.

You are you. Celebrate that fact.

my two cents.

I celebrate me, but part of who I am is that I love experiencing other ways of life and I love understanding people. I wasn't born a rancher or cowgirl, either- but rather an urban girl. But it didn't stop me from living as a cowgirl for a year and loving every minute of it. Did I then leave my professional and suburban life to live on a ranch forever? Ultimately, no.

But I thought long and hard about it... I came pretty close...

So, I just never know where "I" will find "myself." :)
 
There are hundreds of religions in the world, so I do have to be selective, but I'm trying to be sure to hit all the major ones (at least one big representative of each religious system).

Oh boy how to decide! If I were considering this I think I’d choose based on the fundamental underpinnings and go for those that seemed to cover the major bases, whatever you think they are. (I’m being vague so as not to influence you and cos I’m making this up as I go along). For instance, in my ignorance, I see religious Taoism and philosophical Taoism as distinctly different. Furthermore, I see Zen Buddhism as being more similar to Quakerism than it is to Theravadan Buddhism. I see Theravadan Buddhism as more similar (in some ways!) to Catholicism than it is to Zen. Helpful huh? (So if I was to “jump ship” right now, it would be to the Society of Friends, not another Buddhist tradition or school).


This part of it is really tricky and I'm hoping to gain some insight from people here as well as religious studies and anthropology advisors I have contacted. Though I am not so sure it is any different from the problem of Theravada vs Mahayana vs Zen Buddhism or Sunni vs. Shi'ite Muslims. Again, I have to be somewhat selective so I don't go nuts and spend my entire life bouncing around. I really don't want to do more than a decade of this- even I have my limits and would want to synthesize at some point. :eek:
It’s no good you’re going to have to believe in rebirth and leave yourself a note to carry on your research in the next life…and the next…and the next…:p



Catholicism is an easy one to do because it is unified, more or less. Orthodox is less accessible, but I still suspect is not too difficult to pick a denomination that will work and go with it. But Protestantism is like a giant crazy garden and I'm looking at honeysuckle, roses, daffodils, tulips- this endless variety and wondering which to pick, knowing each is very different given my previous foray into four denominations.
On a serious note…at the risk of telling you what you already know…
Your description of Catholicism and Protestantism is a PERFECT description of Theravada (unified, more or less) and Mahayana (endless variety, which includes Zen and Tibetan – unless Vaj disagrees). Let me get off the fence and say this:

If you were to select only one pure Buddhist tradition then I think I would go with Theravadan; the tradition based solely on the Pali Canon, the word of the Buddha. This would give you a good grounding. Having said that, if you can attend a group run by Thich Nhat Hanh’s Order of Interbeing…

By way of contrast, I wouldn’t recommend you go with any Mahayana school that is based on a limited teaching or sutra…(I’ll name no names…)...as it wouldn't give you such a broad grounding, I would say such a school might be a choice later on (for some people)...


s.
 
In many religions, including Buddhism, I've dunked a toe in the water... but I suspect that without a solid time commitment and willingness to leap in, you just don't get the same understanding or experience. What do you think?

Oh, well if you’ve already dunked!:)


I was only concerned that you made a one year commitment to a group and then when you got involved you soon realised you’d made a terrible mistake! I should have realised you’d be sufficiently well informed before you decided. And yes I agree, you don’t get the same understanding or experience without a solid time commitment (especially the experiential aspect of course).

s.
 
Interesting idea, but what if it goes wrong and you hate it or people are trying to kill you, can you leave early and move onto something else ?
 
Interesting idea, but what if it goes wrong and you hate it or people are trying to kill you, can you leave early and move onto something else ?

If people were trying to kill me, I think I'd go to the police. :p

I'm pretty sure I would not hate it. I didn't get a PhD in anthropology and study comparative religion for the last 10 years because I dislike other religions.

That said, it's my idea, so I can do whatever I want whenever I want. No one's holding a gun to my head or anything. ;)
 
Regarding the "year in your religion" for Baha'is:

path_of_one wrote:

That sounds very interesting. I'm aware that some religions do operate on a different year than the American calendar. If I follow those, I would start when it was recommended by members of the religion so it made maximum sense.

My comment:

Well it's not just the "American" calendar but probably the Gregorian calendar that people follow in the Western world..

The Baha'i calendar begins with Nawruz on March 21st our New Year's Day but you can pick it up at anytime..

On April 21st from Monday evening (Aoril 20th) begins our Ridwan Holy Days .. which is the time we commemorate the proclamation of Baha'u'llah in what we call the "Garden of Ridwan" on a green island in the Tigris River outside Baghdad in 1863.. this lasts twelve days until May 2nd, this is called the holiest and most significant of Baha'i Festivals and is the time we elect our Local Spiritual Assemblies, the local administration of the Faith and also for Conventions of the National Spiritual Assemblies that elect National Spiritual Assemblies.

path_of_one wrote:

I must confess that I am dreading the fasting in any religion; I know the Muslims do this as well. I can't imagine not eating all day. I'm naturally very thin and get hypoglycemic and when I don't eat, I get headaches and pretty weak rapidly. I actually usually eat small snacks around every two hours rather than large meals as it is. So the idea of missing food all day kind of frightens me.

My comment:

Well people who have health issues can have exemption from fasting.. The Baha'i Fast is always one time a year in our nineteen day month of 'Ala' from March 2nd to March 20th..also no one really looks over your shoulder to check to see if you're really fasting or not it's based on the "honor system". Jesus you'll recall advised fasting in secret.

It would probably be uncivil though for a Baha'i to eat or drink in front of those fasting.

path_of_one wrote:

I did not know you have no professional clergy. That would be interesting to see in terms of how it works and if it feels different in terms of personal responsibility from religions with clergy.

My comment:

Well the individual believer will often be responsible to say host a Feast on occasion or participate in planning a devotional meeting or such..


Thank you very much for the tips, Art!

You're welcome!

- Art
 
clearly you are all powerful :rolleyes:

just be careful about what you get into :eek:

If I do not like participating in a religion, how (in America) would I be forced to continue? One doesn't have to be all powerful to have choice; I live in a free country when it comes to religion.
 
Interesting idea, but what if it goes wrong and you hate it or people are trying to kill you...

Just what religion did you think poo was going to join?

Excuse me sir, but do you know where I can find the local Thuggee cult?

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