Burn the Qu'ran day?

Janz said:
Here is an interesting link about Saudi Arabia and the threat of Wahhabism:
PBS - frontline: saudi time bomb?: analyses: wahhabism
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Great link Janz. I find the program Frontline to be informative.

I pulled these quotes:

(W)hat we're confronting is not just flushing out Al Qaeda. The bigger headache for the U.S. government is dealing with the Muslim world as a whole, with the political ramifications of our counterattack. That's the bigger problem.
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Yep! That's what I see too...all the more reason a substantive dialogue needs to start sooner than later.

I don't think that Wahhabism ... will condone or accept lots of things that are done by some of the elite of Saudi Arabia who come to Las Vegas and have fun and do this and do that. And we don't hear a very strong voice exposing this or condemning them for that. But if they see a woman driving a car, they consider this a major sin. There is confusion here.
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Ah! That explains much!
 
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And once again we bury our heads in the sand and allow another chance to pass...

Why is there such a disconnect and psychological refusal to face these issues?
 
juantoo3 said:
And once again we bury our heads in the sand and allow another chance to pass...

Why is there such a disconnect and psychological refusal to face these issues?
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Perhaps the issue is overt sensitivity?

is everything alright with you dude?

u've been acting a little erratic lately.
 
juantoo3 said:
Why is that? What is it about the mere mention of the name Ysrael that sets Muslims off? Why are Muslims so set against these people even living?
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Oh gee, I dunno, maybe it could be because Israel STOLE these people's land are continuing to illegally occupy it? And murder over it, while they accumulate enough military arsenal (with the support, backing and condoning of the U.S.) to launch WWIII?

One day it will finally dawn, but only to the "people of the Book" LAST, that there is no longer anything particularly HOLY about the `Holy Land' ...

... indeed, this is a CESSPOOL of race hatred, a true WAR ZONE. Holy land my left ... umm, foot.

Yes, the very word ISRAEL means STRUGGLE. I can certainly see why.

Yes the war on terror is just an elaborate con.
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Damn straight! You mean, someone would actually question this!?! Umm, about that "head in the sand" thing ...
 
juantoo3 said:
I'm not. I'm treating the Muslim world with respect, by demanding they live up to the standard. Looking down our first-world noses and saying in our minds, "oh you poor dears, you don't know any better" is what instills the attitude that the Muslim world is inferior. Worse, it allows them to live *down* to the expectation!
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But now you're saying they're inferior. Isn't that the problem?

juantoo3 said:
With all due respect, if you are one who is critical of and has distanced from Christianity...who are you to tell a Christian what to believe?
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I didn't say I was distancing myself from Christianity. I distance myself from the established thought system of Christianity. I also wasn't telling you what to believe, but simply stating my views.

juantoo3 said:
When have I called Muslims "enemies of state?" There you go again, :rolleyes: , why can't this discussion ever take place without ad hominems and false accusations of hatred???
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What? I wasn't even talking about you there. I was speaking in third person. I could not find any second person pronouns or any mention of juantoo3 in that paragraph. When there are no second-person pronouns or names I am speaking in general.

juantoo3 said:
But Salty, you just got done putting words in my mouth to make me seem hateful!
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Firstly, I didn't mention your name or any second person pronouns and secondly, I didn't say anything about hatred there.
 
juantoo3 said:
And once again we bury our heads in the sand and allow another chance to pass...

Why is there such a disconnect and psychological refusal to face these issues?
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I was confused by this comment..who are the "we?"

Here is a link I thought you should check out:

Muslim Americans Working To Change Perceptions

"Some young American Muslims are working to unite the nation’s diverse Muslim community.
The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) is one of more than two dozen groups trying to change perceptions of Islam in the United States. MPAC specifically focuses on civic engagement.
The Indiana-based Islamic Society of North America focuses on “interfaith dialogue and religious understanding” and is working to get more young Muslims involved in outreach efforts.
The groups aim to be vocal moderates amidst extreme points of view. They maintain Muslims in America don’t face a conflict of interest as some have suggested.
“We’re Muslim in our beliefs but American in our values,” Karam Hijji said.




I always look for where Moderate Muslim Americans are speaking out against extremism. Interfaith dialogue is a good beginning and ignoring the fear based blogs of those extremist on the far right is another good step. I have been reading some of those blogs and I am appalled at their content..fear and hate; hate and fear just oozes out of their words.

PS..I shared the link to Muslim Voices on Facebook and suggested the same: Interfaith Dialogue with Muslim Americans will help most Americans get a grip on their fears. Two of my friends wrote to me saying that I am too liberal for them and no thank you and then proceeded to un-friend me. lol I had lost a previous friend for my "liberal" beliefs...all three of these Conservative Americans were gaming friends only so we weren't close at all; however, I think it was an interesting reaction. Mustn't be contaminated by my so called liberal views. Ha... Mark's (my hubby) brother and his 2 children also won't befriend me on facebook for that reason even though I am a supporter of the Military (think their budget is much too bloated and has room to be chopped)...My hubby works for a Defense Contractor writing computer software for Weather and Space Weather satellites for the Air Force and the stories he can tell about wasteful policies and double dipping salaries makes me cringe.
 
and now 4 somethin completely relevant:


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Originally Posted by Diagoras
Yes the war on terror is just an elaborate con.

juantoo3 said:
Yes, so is the war on drugs. How does that relate to this thread?
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And why do you think they are even bothering for the first time in history to start burning these books??????????
They just hadn't gotten around to it?
A bucket list before they die?
It all has to do with this god-damned war on terror.
People are tired of it.
It is an evil thing and has killed millions (over 1 million dead in Iraq so far).
And it is encroaching into the home turf and the threat is growing.
The gov't and the the media is pointing fingers at the muslims and so what are the average americans going to do....HMMMM?
Burning a few Korans is pretty tame and the lesser evil when one considers what could happen.
 
c0de said:
and now 4 somethin completely relevant:


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No more violent than the "OT" of the Bible...very astute point Code...But then Christianity isn't about the OT, but rather the message of the "NT"...

Jesus is a powerful pacifist, wouldn't you agree?
 
shawn said:
And why do you think they are even bothering for the first time in history to start burning these books??????????
They just hadn't gotten around to it?
A bucket list before they die?
It all has to do with this god-damned war on terror.
People are tired of it.
It is an evil thing and has killed millions (over 1 million dead in Iraq so far).
And it is encroaching into the home turf and the threat is growing.
The gov't and the the media is pointing fingers at the muslims and so what are the average americans going to do....HMMMM?
Burning a few Korans is pretty tame and the lesser evil when one considers what could happen.
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Not fair. America welcomes all peoples (that means we don't encroach on their beliefs or traditions). Burning a sacred book of one's faith is stupid and ignorant.

Now putting up with one's demands to change laws to their religious beliefs is insane. Insisting that all learn and accept another's faith is unacceptable.

Threatening others for not following one's personal beliefs will not be tolerated...

It is short and simple...if you do not want to be American, get the hell out of America..."or we will help you leave".
 
shawn said:
Found this:
Saudis Shred Bibles



Saudis Shred Bibles, Rights Campaigners Claim,


Interesting: Saudi Arabia will shred your bible if you attempt to bring it into their country. And, in some cases, apparently if you're carrying a large number of bibles you can be put to death.
This is a strict Islamic country...so...it should be a nation of complete and total utopian peace...right?
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Hi Shawn

I haven't read the whole thread but just wanted to comment on this point.

It is easy to only see one side of a situation ... a Pakistani friend of mine told me his uncle went to hajj (pilgrimage) in Mecca this year, he is of course Muslim. He took with him his old well worn family Quran, a treasured possession, which is translated into the Urdu language.

At the airport a Saudi official grabbed his Quran and threw it in the bin beside him. The uncle protested explaining it is Quran, in both Arabic and Urdu. The Saudi gave him a mouthful of abuse and told him to move on. He didn't get his Quran back.

So it seems the issue isn't so much about the Bible, it's about anything not Saudi ... strange but true.
 
"It is easy to only see one side of a situation..."

--> Well said. One of the most important (and difficult) things in life is to do is try and see things from the other person's point of view.
 
Last week in my local paper, bearing in mind I live in a very rural area with very few immigrants, the front page story was a man arrested in Carlisle (our main city, population 104,700) for shouting hate statements (anti Islamic) and burning the Quran in the streets.

It's a sad state of affairs when an area with very few Muslims starts to see this bigotry among us :(
 
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