agnosticism

A Cup Of Tea said:
It's tricky, and I think it should be difficult. Life is a mystery and very challenging.
I have never been in a situation like this so I doubt I can actually imagine what it would be like.
By principle I would not try to convince them to leave the cult. I would try to listen to them and if asked for my opinion I would share freely. I would perhaps give several possible answers for every question and not just argue from a specific set of beliefs.
I think dismissing their current cult-faith would only cause separation between us and I want to be there for them even though I really hate their choice.

I know I'm not giving you a clear yes/no answer but I don't think I can, life is to much like a rainbow.
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Lately I have been researching further about our Daimon / Higher Self.

Interesting in that this Daimon / Dæmon is focused on our vocation / true Will. It creates severe problems in us when we are not on our vocation path, though many of us don't even know our vocation and live life not doing what we would do best.

The Dæmon exists on a Higher Plane than where we are at, as we excel and master our vocation / calling we step up spiritually and so does our Dæmon, until the Dæmon is on the Divine Plane and we are then communing with our Divine Being.


Do any of these concepts line up with anyone else's Beliefs?
 
Etu Malku said:
Lately I have been researching further about our Daimon / Higher Self.

Interesting in that this Daimon / Dæmon is focused on our vocation / true Will. It creates severe problems in us when we are not on our vocation path, though many of us don't even know our vocation and live life not doing what we would do best.

The Dæmon exists on a Higher Plane than where we are at, as we excel and master our vocation / calling we step up spiritually and so does our Dæmon, until the Dæmon is on the Divine Plane and we are then communing with our Divine Being.


Do any of these concepts line up with anyone else's Beliefs?
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In the true spirit of this thread: I don't know.

More often then not, I'm like:
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I need all the help I can get!
 
Etu,

The idea of a Higher Self is a fundamental part of my belief system, so I am glad that you are considering adding this idea to your belief system. The idea is, we all have a Higher Self, it exists on a much higher plane of existence, but it is in a dreamy state, unable to be fully conscious on that high level of consciousness. Our job is to raise up our level of consciousness, so we (or rather, our Higher Self) can finally become fully conscious and active on that higher plane.
 
For myself, this higher self is not really a separate self (that is okay, I really do not believe in myself either). Rather my mundane experiences share little or nothing with that of G!d, my mystical or spiritual experiences share quite a lot with G!d (I would not go as far as Bayazid Bastami or James Naylor) but that there is a place beyond where until the experience" is on the Divine Plane and we are then communing with our Divine Being." would nicely summarize my view of "higher self".

Pax et amore omnia vincunt.
 
Radarmark,

I would agree that our Higher Self is not a separate self. But a barrier has been thrown up that prevents us from becoming conscious in our Higher Self. According to my belief system, this barrier is the the firmament of Genesis Day Two. I do not see the firmament as a physical barrier separating "water from water," I see it as a necessary psychological barrier between us and our Higher Self, that will be removed just as soon as it is no longer necessary.
 
Definately two pickles in the jar on that. I just use different words because (1) I am about as skeptical as Hume was and (2) I am a mental/physical monist in the pattern of AN Whitehead.

Thanks!
 
Nick the Pilot said:
Radarmark,

I would agree that our Higher Self is not a separate self. But a barrier has been thrown up that prevents us from becoming conscious in our Higher Self. According to my belief system, this barrier is the the firmament of Genesis Day Two. I do not see the firmament as a physical barrier separating "water from water," I see it as a necessary psychological barrier between us and our Higher Self, that will be removed just as soon as it is no longer necessary.
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I personally agree with Plato, Socrates, Shamans, A.Crowley, C.Jung, M.Aquino, F.Nietzsche, and a whole slew of metaphysicists, and psychologists, that the Daimon/Dæmon/Higher-Self/Guardian Angel/Spirit Guide/ etc. is separate from the Physical Self.

Anytime we are Creative we are communing with this Dæmon, it is a part of our Collective Unconsciousness.
 
IowaGuy said:
Jesus is generally considered to be enlightened, but I don't see chakra mentioned anywhere in the bible.
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For what it is worth, though chakras may not be mentioned outright, keeping in mind that the menorah is a lamp stand of seven candles and that the sacred septenary is ubiquitous in both Judaism and Christianity, I have heard an esoteric explanation of this verse in the Book of Job as referring to an enlightened being (that is, one in whom all chakras are activated, in whom all seven candles burn):

“When his lamp shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness” (Job 29:3)

seattlegal said:
Hey, my ex says he sees them [halos] all the time.
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Funnily enough, my exes, plural, say the same thing. However, they usually make it a point to specify that they can only see them when I am not present. Standby, here's a toothy grin: :D

Etu Malku said:
The Dæmon exists on a Higher Plane than where we are at, as we excel and master our vocation / calling we step up spiritually and so does our Dæmon, until the Dæmon is on the Divine Plane and we are then communing with our Divine Being.

Do any of these concepts line up with anyone else's Beliefs?
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I used to read anthroposophy at Rudolf Steiner house in London, at times, and this sounds like what he described as an encounter with the (probably “Lesser” rather than “Greater”) “Guardian of the Threshold.” According to Dr. Steiner, such an encounter is not to be undertaken lightly. Before I rather painfully discovered, after plenty of tries, that entry was through a narrow gate and by invitation only, I did try to follow Jim Morrison’s lead and “break on through to the other side.” I cannot say I ever actually encountered the Guardian of the Threshold, but I think I came close. “That,” said an urbane, funny, neurotic colleague of Timothy Leary, when describing his first and only supervised trip on then-legal LSD in the ‘60’s and as Leary relates in his readable autobiography, Flashbacks, “is exactly the kind of experience that I have been paying my psychoanalyst $75 an hour to try to avoid!”

Nick the Pilot said:
Opening up chakras is very dangerous. Don't do it unless you are working with a highly-qualified teacher.
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Amen.
 
Etu,

I agree that we are not our physical self. The day will come when we discard our physical bodies forever, as being no longer necessary. But "we" will still be "we."
 
IowaGuy said:
Do you have any specific examples of those who are incurring "His wrath"?
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Testimony against apostates

IowaGuy said:
I am of the opposite opinion; that many of those who incur "His wrath" in today's world are actually the Catholic faithful.
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Without any on-line searching, what is your definition of Catholic?


IowaGuy said:
. . . continues to prohibit birth control for his faithful . . .
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As willful creatures with intellect, it is within our power to respect Life first, and then work out the details.
 
radarmark said:
"I saw Him, Christ Jesus, face to face, and it is He Who has resurrected me, body and soul, no one else, as He has said He would do. Now that is fine for me, how about you? If all you have left in you is the usual snide remarks against all which He has accomplished for over 2,000 years, it is probably best you get it all out of your system, lest the good culture shock paralize you forever."

Yet another snittty remark,
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That is some of my testimony concerning the Resurrection - do you have any such testimony, or are you given over solely to death?
 
Edward Palamar said:
Without any on-line searching, what is your definition of Catholic?
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These people suffering the "wrath" in Latin American for the most part call themselves Catholic (over 90% of the population in many Latin America countries) and look up to the Pope as their church leader. I personally don't care what religious label you put on them. These poor and destitute Catholics are found in all the prior Spanish colonies throughout Central & South America. I presume they are Catholic because the conquering Spaniards were Catholic and forced Catholicism on the conquered back in the day. Same reason they speak Spanish.


Edward Palamar said:
As willful creatures with intellect, it is within our power to respect Life first, and then work out the details.
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I have never understood how:

"wearing a condom" or "taking birth control pill" = "not respect life"

or how

"having 10 kids when you can't afford food" = "respect life"

Perhaps you can better explain it.
 
wil said:
How do you know this? Have you not put your trust in the authors the non eyewitness that speak of this Christ?
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As I told you, I have been raised from the dead by Jesus Christ, whom I baptized in the Jordan River some 1,980 years ago because He chose to undergo that baptism of His own volition. I saw Him face to face, yet not without the occurence of the tragedy of death has the Father in heaven carefully brought me back from what would have been eternal death. I am thankful for others to have written of their testimony concerning Christ God.
 
IowaGuy said:
These people suffering . . . call themselves Catholic
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Christ tells it like it is - He has promised relief from such things through personal perseverance - stating plainly that by following Him, we, too, are sharers in His sufferings and the glory to come.

But you didn't answer the question - you deflected only to present reverence for Christ as the Life being second fiddle to your perception of how humanity handles population.
 
IowaGuy said:
You say we now have hope in the time since Jesus has died, but . . .
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Christ multiplied the fishes and loaves through faith. This offers hope, that we may love while not giving into despair.
 
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