Is Britain no longer a 'Christian' country?

really? I don't understand how that could be by just being Christian... Now if you were gay bashing or keeping women from having a role in the congregation I can see issues. But I have never felt oppressed in any way being a Christian, or being a white male... Compared to any other religion in this country I feel among.the privileged and least attacked... I do realize we are no longer the only shows in town like 50 years ago...

Maye you misunderstood me, within my Church community and the Christian community I am quite pleased and feel that it is indeed easy to be a Christian. Let me ask you a question? Well maybe 2. Do you feel that if one believes that the Confederate flag represents their Southern Heritage as being a Bigot? or a Hater? Do you believe that if a Christian does not believe that homosexuality is morally correct, that person is a Bigot or a Hater? Whether they have no issue with their Civil right to be together?
 
Maye you misunderstood me, within my Church community and the Christian community I am quite pleased and feel that it is indeed easy to be a Christian.
I have no issues answering your questions but am confused.

Where is it you have been accosted and called a bigot and hater? Where did this happen to you, who were the antagonists and under what circumstances does this occurs?
 
Republican Christians or Conservative Christians are demonized because we believe in the old Testament and the Ten Commandments as the moral grounding for humanity in general. For that we are labeled Bigots and haters....Lucky us...

I perceive it rather differently. Nobody is damning you for your conservative Christian beliefs. You have every right to them as afforded by our Constitution. Where the trouble starts is when conservative Christians believe their right to religious freedom should force others to live by your standards.

I've said this a thousand times, one person's right to religious freedom ends when it prevents someone else's religious freedom. According to your beliefs, homosexuality is evil. Okay fine. You can look at those in that lifestyle and pity them for the hell you believe they will be going.

Making secular laws to prevent homosexual marriages is where you cross the line. You have a right to believe what you will about homosexuals; you do not have the right to force them to live by your religious standards.

Contraception, abortion, all the other social issues you believe are evil. You have the right to believe what you believe. You do not have the right to force others to abide by your beliefs.
 
It was more informational.... Sort of the reverse thou...

Tis how I see many Christians feeling... Trapped, cornered...but it is perception.
 
Oh no, absolutely not. There are countries and situations where real persecution is going on...

Buy this US sky is falling war on Christmas and Christian s.... It is like saying there is a war on white people... We've been the priviliged majority for so long we are saying the decrease in laws and rulings going our way is an assault
 
I perceive it rather differently. Nobody is damning you for your conservative Christian beliefs. You have every right to them as afforded by our Constitution. Where the trouble starts is when conservative Christians believe their right to religious freedom should force others to live by your standards.

I've said this a thousand times, one person's right to religious freedom ends when it prevents someone else's religious freedom. According to your beliefs, homosexuality is evil. Okay fine. You can look at those in that lifestyle and pity them for the hell you believe they will be going.

Making secular laws to prevent homosexual marriages is where you cross the line. You have a right to believe what you will about homosexuals; you do not have the right to force them to live by your religious standards.

Contraception, abortion, all the other social issues you believe are evil. You have the right to believe what you believe. You do not have the right to force others to abide by your beliefs.

Nor do they have the right to force me to accept their sexual orientation. That is what we are being demonized for. Not our religious belief of their right to a civil union.
 
Lol.... Accept their sexual orientation?

What does that even mean?

I am of the opinion if you don't like guns, don't own one, if you don't like abortions don't have one, if you don't like gay marriage don't get one...

I don't have to accept sunrise...but it exists.
 
Making secular laws to prevent homosexual marriages is where you cross the line. You have a right to believe what you will about homosexuals; you do not have the right to force them to live by your religious standards.

Contraception, abortion, all the other social issues you believe are evil. You have the right to believe what you believe. You do not have the right to force others to abide by your beliefs.

"you do not have the right to force others to live by your standards."

Yet we all do. It doesn't matter whether one's standards stem from his/her 'religious' beliefs or 'personal' beliefs he/she gained from their life experiences. We all push our beliefs onto others when it comes to deciding what the law of the land should be. Not just Christians.

Why is bigamy or polygamy not legal here? Not that I'm an advocate for those lifestyles (and I sure can't handle more than one wife at a time!), I don't have a logical argument for prohibiting what others want to do with their lives when the arrangement is consensual among all participants. Do you vote 'yes' to legalize bigamy and polygamy? If not, should those who support bigamy/polygamy view you just as bigoted as the people who don't want to legalize same sex-marriage?

How about legalization of prostitution? Two consenting adults engaging in a business transaction that they both agree on ... why should it be illegal? I don't have a good counter-argument to that either, except to say "I just feel it's immoral". And I felt this way before becoming a Christian as well. I'd vote 'no' to legalization in my state. That's my right, isn't it? Am I crossing the line by exercising my right? Don' think so.

I'm actually okay with same-sex marriage. After reading some articles and watching interviews about them, I no longer feel it's immoral. If that's the way those people were born, and the only fulfilling relationship they can have is with a partner of the same gender, I think denying their legal union is cruel.

But no matter what my beliefs may be, Richard is entitled to his religious or personal beliefs and has every right to cast a vote according to his beliefs, just as I would vote 'no' for legalization of prostitution even tho some Nevadans may disagree with me.

I didn't like what Kim Davis did, not because she's against same-sex marriage, but she abused her position as a county clerk. After the Supreme Court handed down the decision in favor of same-sex marriage, it became the law of the land. Government officials must abide by that. If she felt she couldn't in good conscience carry out her duties anymore, the noble move would have been to give up her 80k salary and resign.

By the way, Kim Davis is a Democrat, and the judge who ordered her to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, David Bunning, is a Republican. Not all Republicans are in the wrong. Just sayin'.

Gotta hit the road. See you guys after the holiday.

You guys have a good one!
 
Lol.... Accept their sexual orientation?

What does that even mean?

I am of the opinion if you don't like guns, don't own one, if you don't like abortions don't have one, if you don't like gay marriage don't get one...

I don't have to accept sunrise...but it exists.
I missed one of your funny posts again.

Would you also say "if you don't like murder, just don't murder anyone"??
Pro-life people believe unborn babies are human beings, so abortion is the same as murder.
 
I missed one of your funny posts again.

Would you also say "if you don't like murder, just don't murder anyone"??
Pro-life people believe unborn babies are human beings, so abortion is the same as murder.
I live in the US...our supreme Court deems otherwise... Or was it just a compassionate ruling? In countries with or without legal abortions we have similar percentages of abortions...either way...it happens...but in countries where it is legal the mother lives more often, has complications less often and often go back and have children and raise a family when they can... With hundreds of thousands of unwanted children already unadoptable in foster care ... Maybe the supremes figured that it is a woman's right to choose based on her beliefs...and not that of others??
 
But no matter what my beliefs may be, Richard is entitled to his religious or personal beliefs and has every right to cast a vote according to his beliefs, just as I would vote 'no' for legalization of prostitution even tho some Nevadans may disagree with me.
. Exactly... Nobody is saying anyone doesn't have the right to exercise their vote (unless of course you are a black man trapped by a broken justice system, or in an area where voter Id laws are suppressing votes)

The law is the law...you fight to change it, or abide by it, or pay the price (legal, moral or spiritual)
 
Nor do they have the right to force me to accept their sexual orientation.

Quite right!

That is what we are being demonized for.

Quite wrong!! Again, conservatives want to force their religious beliefs on everyone else - that is the problem. If you disapprove of homosexuality, and can accept that there are others who think differently, and that they should be allowed to act on their different beliefs - no one is going to have a problem with your position.
 
Well, back to the OP, our Prime Minister's Christmas message called on people to reflect on Britain's Christian values, saying that the country's "important religious roots" made it "a successful home to people of all faiths and none".

So that sums it up, I suppose, Great Britain still identifies itself as a Christian country.

Now all we need is a government to reflect on those selfsame values, rather than act like the Pharisee in the temple (Luke 18).
 
Quite right!



Quite wrong!! Again, conservatives want to force their religious beliefs on everyone else - that is the problem. If you disapprove of homosexuality, and can accept that there are others who think differently, and that they should be allowed to act on their different beliefs - no one is going to have a problem with your position.

That would be your opinion which you are entitled to...
 
Lol.... Accept their sexual orientation?

What does that even mean?

I am of the opinion if you don't like guns, don't own one, if you don't like abortions don't have one, if you don't like gay marriage don't get one...

I don't have to accept sunrise...but it exists.

Quite true except the sunrise doesn't get the Supreme court make rulings based on personal feelings rather than the law.....
 
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