The only Saviour is within us..
In that case, there was no need for Jesus to have appeared in person on the Earth,
and for the New Testament authors to have written what they wrote
The only Saviour is within us..
We are indeed the same being; the One Being, Jesus Christ.No .. I don't. I can almost imagine you laughing as you say it
If we are both "Jesus Christ", then that means we are both the same person![]()
We’ve had this conversation before.In that case, there was no need for Jesus to have appeared in person on the Earth,
and for the New Testament authors to have written what they wrote![]()
That is why we must love the brethren..
It's not about the words.
Oh well. You might find yourself sharing heaven with a lot of folks you didn't expect to be there with you, lol ...
Not according to Christian doctrine – that would require change in the Godhead, and we hold God above all contingency.The Son became the Father, but with a new Name.
But that has always been understood in the Abrahamic religions – indeed that has been understood since antiquity – I don't see any new info in that regard.Now we are seeing How each Messenger is the Light but not in the Same flesh body.
But then Jesus is more than a Messenger...
I see what you're saying in part ... where I stumble is where or how you see Christ apart from us, as it were – Christ-in-Himself, if that makes sense?I’ll say it. (And I have said it before.) We are Christ.
I feel Christ in me, and sometimes I hear him. Now we can say it’s one thing to be in him and another to be him, but I disagree.
This is the nub of it, I think ... who is Jesus Christ?You are Jesus Christ. I know that you don’t believe me.
I’ll say it. (And I have said it before.) We are Christ.
I feel Christ in me, and sometimes I hear him. Now we can say it’s one thing to be in him and another to be him, but I disagree.
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A teacher I like quoted someone (don’t remember who): It is the failure to accept the open invitation to life as Christ that has reduced Christendom to the slavery of its own misconception.
It’s what the Bible says. I don’t find it perplexing. I think if you have been fed something else and gobbled it hook line and sinker, then it seems ridiculous if not downright devilish.
I do understand (I had to read it a couple times). I don’t think we are apart from Christ. We aren’t separate from God. There is only God in the world.I see what you're saying in part ... where I stumble is where or how you see Christ apart from us, as it were – Christ-in-Himself, if that makes sense?
Hell is a state of consciousness as is heaven. Is it real? Yes. Is it a physical place that God sends people who he doesn’t like to burn in agony for eternity? No. Is the state of consciousness called hell eternal? Yes. Does that mean someone who goes there is there forever? No.No .. you and @RJM Corbet are the same..
You both make up your own version of truth.
You talk about "eternal hell phoey", as does RJM..
If I tell you "it's what the Bible says", as you have just said to me to prove your "everyone is Jesus" claim,
you make some excuse.
i.e. I take Adam and Eve as allegorical .. I tale eternal hell as allegorical..
You just take eternal heaven as literal, because that is what you want to believe![]()
I should be working.....I see what you're saying in part ... where I stumble is where or how you see Christ apart from us, as it were – Christ-in-Himself, if that makes sense?
This is the nub of it, I think ... who is Jesus Christ?
I'm pretty sure this is not what you think, but one could posit that 'Jesus Christ' is the name for collective consciousness, like an after-effect of such?
The more you write, the more I see, the more I agree. The one little cloud on that horizon is perhaps the anthropological model ('consciousness') can be read to define the divine, as it were.
On the other hand, I read you more in Eckhartian terms (please excuse my frames of reference), or perhaps more akin to Marguerite Porete – so in either case entirely orthodox, but liable to raise eyebrows!![]()
Hell is a state of consciousness as is heaven. Is it real? Yes. Is it a physical place that God sends people who he doesn’t like to burn in agony for eternity? No.
Is the state of consciousness called hell eternal? Yes. Does that mean someone who goes there is there forever? No.