Matrixism - A religion based on The Matrix

In Genesis there are two lights. The first is the light of the first day. The second is the celestial lights – the stars, the sun and the moon, created on the fourth day.

It is the first order of light that concerns us here. The light is spoken of variously, as nous, the light of the mind, or intellect. Even the common phrase, ‘to shed some light’ is to reveal that which is hidden.

Isaiah 30:26 says: “The light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and that light of the sun as the light of the seven days”

This is the Light that is withdrawn from man as a result of his Fall. The 'withdrawn light' has parallels in diverse cultures which associate the 'the beginning' with a 'golden age', something lost when the connection between earth and heaven is sundered. Again, all speak of a return to this perfect, Primordial state.

This Light was spoken of in the Qmran documents, and throughout the New Testament.

In the Kabbalah there is a radical reassessment of the Hidden Light motif. The Zohar states that "If it had been hidden away entirely, the world would not exist even for a single moment" (II, 148). Rather, there is not a single day day without something emanating from that light to sustain all things in existence. Although this Light was never again fully manifest after the first day of creation, it continues to perform the function of renewing creation daily. The Light shifts in its metaphysical nature from a Hidden absence to an Invisible presence.

The Sufis continued in the same vein, again informed by Greek philosophical speculation, speaking of a primordial light associated with wisdom, the intellect, ethical values and above all spiritual illumination.

Christianity, of course, identifies the Light with Christ and through Him the Church (Islam identifies it with Mohammed). Galatians 3:27 says: "For as many of you as have been baptised into Christ have put on Christ."

The point is, the light never went away, it is we who no longer see it. Our vision has been occluded, and that is what the Genesis text refers to. That light is still there, "In him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." (John 1:4-5). To assume we have substantially changed is to reject revelation. We are inwardly the same, it's just outwardly he are blind. We no longer see with the eye of the soul as we once did. "There is nothing in the mind that was not first in the senses" is the burden of the Fall. Prior to the fall, everything in the mind came through our spiritual senses. We saw to the heart of things, but we became beguiled by outward forms and the desire to be equal to God.

Thus in us is "... the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world." (v6) ... we just don't see it.

The Zohar explains that the Primordial Couple, prior to the fall, shared a radiant, celestial character, reflecting a supernal light which functioned as the source of their good deeds. Not necessarily that they were creatures of light, but creatures clothed in light.

When Moses came down from the mountain: "And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him." (Exodus 34:35), and of course the Transfiguration of Christ, although this was to indicated something about the Son of God, more than the end of man.
 
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Pre Fall Thomas they were the same.
Well the Bible says otherwise, so I'll go with that, thanks, as you've offered nothing else.

What we read in the scripture is that when Jesus returns bodily ...
Exactly.

He was Resurrected, Body and Soul. He ate and drank. He touched and was touched. He was not an angel, nor a being of light, He was something beyond that. It's quite a complex thing to wrap your head around, but only if one is caught in the either/or, spirit/matter dichotomy – when everything in Scripture suggests both/and, spirit and matter.

I've posted notes from the theologian Jean Borella which offers some startling insights into the Resurrection.

They could equally apply to our prelapsarian existence.
 
These last days which we live in, the NDE is common knowledge Cino.

Sure, and I'm familiar with quite a few accounts. And I'm an OBE experiencer. But I strongly assume I draw different conclusions from you. I don't expect you to come to the same conclusions as I, and I don't imply that you should, just by throwing you these abbreviations and a few links.

I'm genuinely interested in your take. Just tell it straight, from your perspective. You can't expect us to adopt your views, and you will feel resistance if you insist, but you can fully expect us to respect that they are your understanding, and to appreciate your sharing them with us.
 
Cino, I've shared.

Thomas, with all your reasoning?
You're still an organic, animal/ mammal, true?
Replete with the same survival instincts, and self serving ego, as every other lifeform on the planet.
And, what we refer to as natural in the "lower" wildlife arena is still called crime in humanity.

This alone ought to tell you that things are different from Adams origin, and your reasonings are but futile.
Again, we see how St. Paul referred to Adam as the first man, and Jesus as the last man.
Indicating they were the same, albeit the ignorance of evil in Adam.
Which Jesus was well appraised of, and equating it with, "the world".
 
This thread is about "Matrixism"... based upon the cinematic illustration of the Jewish Wachowski siblings.
I just came to elaborate the Biblical connections after considering their illustration.

Which they already considered before making the movie.
The latter day prophesies are about to be fulfilled.

The Truth just is.
God is Truth.
 
Infinity is all there can ever be...can anyone explain to me how anybody can add one (1) to infinity?

Reminds me of elementary school, when we'd come up with the biggest numbers we could imagine. A thousand! A thousand thousands! Plus one!

Here's something way cooler you can do: There is the infinite that can be numbered, and there is that which can't be numbered. The latter is "more infinite" than the former.

Here's how to do it: Take the natural numbers; they form an infinite sequence, but they are numbered, there is a first, a second, and so on.

Even if you take the fractions between the numbers, you can still devise clever systems of numbering them all.

But when you look "between" the fractions, there are innumerable numbers like Pi or the square root of two there, those numbers whose decimal representation is infinitely long and non-repeating... and they are really innumerable, there is no way of coming up with an equivalent of the Dewey Decimal System to number them all. Squiggling numberless myriads of these numbers all the way down.

So while it is kind of pointless to add one to the infinite sequence of natural numbers, there *is* an infinity that is "bigger" than that.
 
OK, but it seems to me when attempting to understand someone explain to me one of the grandiose suppositions in physics sometime back, that the equation was predicated on adding 1 to infinity. Per you here, that would seem to be a "natural number," of which attempting to add "1" to a set that already includes it seems at best like mathematically cheating. Either infinity is infinite, or it is not. *Every* "1" is wholly accounted for already within the set of infinity, so there is no "1" to add.
 
*Every* "1" is wholly accounted for already within the set of infinity, so there is no "1" to add.
Yes, that is pointless, or rather, it is the very definition of the infinite sequence of natural numbers: there is always one more.
 
Physicist Max Tegmark tells us the Universe isn't just made up of math... it is math

I believe it is math...not a program or simulation
But as I said, you cross your arms, and believe what you want, against all evidence.
The high and mighty accuse others of being high and mighty...lol...best offense is claiming you are on defense.

I always wonder when folks portray themselves as knowing it all...why they feel the need to find a forum that will validate it for them...
 
Yes, that is pointless, or rather, it is the very definition of the infinite sequence of natural numbers: there is always one more.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding, always a possibility.

If all the 1's that can ever exist are already included within the set of infinity, where does the 1 from outside of infinity come from? The only way I can see that being possible is to remove a 1 from infinity and add it back (self-cancelling). A 1 outside of infinity doesn't magically appear, therefore there can be no 1 to add to infinity.
 
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A 1 outside of infinity doesn't magically appear, therefore there can be no 1 to add to infinity.
I see what you mean.

What I was going on about is the strategy to proove (and thereby know) things about these infinite sets. In formal mathematics, you reason about the infinity of the natural numbers by considering that there is always one beyond the one you are looking at. That way, you can construct proofs that hold for all of them, by showing what happens to a given one and the next one.

For the type of infinity represented by the real numbers, which include the likes of Pi and the square root of two, you need a different kind of reasoning, since there are always an infinite number of numbers between any given two, which you can't account for by numbering them one by one, so it does not make sense to reason about "the next number" in their case.

All this aside, formal mathematics uses a biblical term, in its set-up of proofs: "Let there be a set with such and such properties...". Inasmuch it lets you create numbers outside your set, and remove them...
 
Thomas, with all your reasoning?
Yep. I follow theirs, as their intelligence and intellect, insight and inspiration exceeds mine and yours.

You're still an organic, animal/ mammal, true?
Yes, body and soul, living and breathing in a sublime medium.

Replete with the same survival instincts ...
Yes.

... and self serving ego, as every other lifeform on the planet.
Dear me, no. I don't see every other lifeform as possessing self-reflective consciousness to quite the same degree as our species. Nor do I assume every member of my species to be 'self serving' in that regard. There is altruism. Your terms are too general.

And, what we refer to as natural in the "lower" wildlife arena is still called crime in humanity.
You think so? Again, you speak in generalisations that don't bear scrutiny.

This alone ought to tell you that things are different from Adams origin, and your reasonings are but futile.
No, because your arguments are notably devoid of sound reasoning, it's just all opinion.

Again, we see how St. Paul referred to Adam as the first man, and Jesus as the last man.
And, as ever, you take a line of text and present it out of context, as if it were proof of anything. It's not. Context is everything, old chum, and sitz im leben weighs in heavily.
 
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The Matrix Revisited

If we are all all living a program, a simulation, an illusion.

Then ... what's the point of anything?
 
This thread is about "Matrixism"... based upon the cinematic illustration of the Jewish Wachowski siblings.
I just came to elaborate the Biblical connections after considering their illustration.
Oh I see. Yes. Interesting. A bit of a stretch at times, imo but thank you :cool:

For me it just shows how universal the message of Christ really is. Everyone can find a way to relate to Jesus?
 
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I believe it is math...not a program or simulation

Well, I've already stated that while the Universe is Math, the fact that prophecy exists in scripture, and, that we have been told the future of our "world". (Matrix), indicates that we are within a program wil.

I don't mean to come across as, "high and mighty" here. Just came to tell what the Wachowski's already realized, and presented to the world through their art.

The angel stated...
“Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven?
This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."
Acts 1:11
(Not by the reincarnation the Bahai's suppose.)

Thomas -
"If we are all all living a program, a simulation, an illusion.

Then ... what's the point of anything"
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Well, this is where we find ourselves, ever since the Fall, Thomas.
I was planning sometime to bring up a reincarnation topic, since it does seems to be the case, as exampled by Jesus statements to Elijah about John the Baptist, after his death.

However, regarding linear time, (which doesn't exist according to the physicists), what becomes evident is that the soul emanates around it the various lifetimes, all concurrent, apart from time.
But, "what's the purpose" since we are here, Thomas?
As we pray in the Lord's prayer...
"On earth as it is in heaven."

Since "we put on Christ", as Paul stated, we ought to try to act accordingly, in this world.
 
Well, this is where we find ourselves, ever since the Fall, Thomas.
OK. What's the answer, though?

I was planning sometime to bring up a reincarnation topic ...
OK, but I'd rather not get sidetracked. Perhaps you could raise that in another thread?

But, "what's the purpose" since we are here, Thomas?
As we pray in the Lord's prayer...
"On earth as it is in heaven."
Since "we put on Christ", as Paul stated, we ought to try to act accordingly, in this world.
But that's all part of the Grand Illusion, isn't it? That's just a soporific, n opium for the masses, it reinforces the program?

It seems to me, or have I missed a point that, if we are part of a program, then:
We can only do what we are programmed to do;
Everything is predetermined;
So what's the point?
 
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