That's from your perspective. From mine, most believers of any religion seem to gladly accept Agent Smith's generous offer from the early scenes (present company excluded, of course).
Matrixism - A religion based on The Matrix
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But, if we didn't have the 2nd we wouldn't have met the Merovingian. Who in my mind is another aspect of the devil. As are the Agents.
The major aspect of Matixism is found in the initial 1999 movie, regarding theme.
When I first saw The Movie, around 2003, I recall there was no other movies available at the video store at the time, so I opted for The Matrix. I didn't like it so much with my Christian perspective due to all the profanity involved, and using the name of the Lord etc.
But then they were showing repeats on T.V., where they left all that out, I realized the Wachowski's were on to the genuine situation which we are dealing with.
So, the first Matrix, and the theme has the real message.
I began noticing correlating verses in the scriptures, which I've been sharing.
I've realized the the NDE, and OBE's are sharing the same message, which corresponds with the Biblical message.
That, the greater Truth and reality involves the timeless and eternity, not this temporal situation within this current world, or Matrix.
"The majority of people are captured within the matrix of nature, submerged in a sea of materiality.
We must pray they be reborn, receive a new spirit, and in the end a recipient of divine bounties."
Who also stated -
"Likewise, man, no matter how much he may advance in worldly affairs and make progress in material civilization, is imperfect unless he is quickened by the bounties of the Holy Spirit; for it is evident that until he receives that divine impetus he is ignorant and deprived.
For this reason Jesus Christ said, “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” By this Christ meant that unless man is released from the material world, freed from the captivity of materialism and receiving a portion of the bounties of the spiritual world, he shall be deprived of the bestowals and favors of the Kingdom of God, and the utmost we can say of him is that he is a perfect animal.
No one can rightly call him a man. In another place He said, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” The meaning of this is that if man is because he is only a body physically born—that is, he belongs to the world of matter and remains subject to the law and control of nature. But if he is baptized with the Holy Spirit, if he is freed from the bondage of nature, released from animalistic tendencies and advanced in the human realm, he is fitted to enter into the divine Kingdom."
It was inevitable that I would become aware of these things in my spiritual walk, as it is part of the program and destined, just as your path is also a known, and part of the same.
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Perhaps Christ encompasses even a Keanu Reeves movie created by the Wachowski brothers, now sex changed to the Wachowski sisters -- but it doesn't limit or trivialize Jesus, who is there for those who suffer -- and who always was and always will be there for those who suffer and are lost -- long after the Wachowskis meet their maker, imo
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I didn't like the second one that much, either. It may be due to my high expectations, or the producers having already used all the good material in the first one.
Interesting. I was put off by the violence. No movie is perfect.
Have you yourself experienced any of these mind states, NDE, and OBE, or the "eternal now"? Just me being nosy and curious, if you feel this is too personal, you don't have to.
Interesting. I was put off by the violence. No movie is perfect.
Have you yourself experienced any of these mind states, NDE, and OBE, or the "eternal now"? Just me being nosy and curious, if you feel this is too personal, you don't have to.
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Several times, though I don't know if I cam explain it properly.
I was once in my kitchen in the A.M. years ago, and drinking my coffee while looking out into the natural scenery out the window.
Suddenly I felt like I was one with all humanity who I expect were doing the same thing, losing the ego or sense of oness, or duality, and just a part of the many.
Once, we had taken in a small poodle which our friends had to part with when they moved.
Trying to get him accustomed to his new home I sat outside with him in the late Spring and I was inhaling and exhaling loudly and, again I lost myself.
I became one with the smell of the grass, the sounds of the ducks and geese nearby, etc.
Then when I was young, and in basic training with the Guard, I had a lucid dream. I found myself in a circus tent and knew right away it was a dream. It was around 2 A.M. .Familiar with the situation I thought why not try an out of body experience as I've read several books about it.
I felt myself in the bunk and as I attempted to rise I felt the vibrations which scared the heck out of me, and thought this is something the Lord doesn't want me to be involved with.
Decades later I was listening to the Art Bell show and they discussed the OBE Experience, and they mentioned the, "Vibrations", and I realized that was exactly what I also experienced, decades ago in the barracks.
But, as I think I've stated, when I was a young kid, after my father had passed on, my Mom had gotten into paranormal things and I read about OBE's and NDE's and the like and I've realized kind of recently, that it set me up for receiving Christ, when I was 17. As I was already convinced about the soul, and that we lived on, beyond this world.
I was once in my kitchen in the A.M. years ago, and drinking my coffee while looking out into the natural scenery out the window.
Suddenly I felt like I was one with all humanity who I expect were doing the same thing, losing the ego or sense of oness, or duality, and just a part of the many.
Once, we had taken in a small poodle which our friends had to part with when they moved.
Trying to get him accustomed to his new home I sat outside with him in the late Spring and I was inhaling and exhaling loudly and, again I lost myself.
I became one with the smell of the grass, the sounds of the ducks and geese nearby, etc.
Then when I was young, and in basic training with the Guard, I had a lucid dream. I found myself in a circus tent and knew right away it was a dream. It was around 2 A.M. .Familiar with the situation I thought why not try an out of body experience as I've read several books about it.
I felt myself in the bunk and as I attempted to rise I felt the vibrations which scared the heck out of me, and thought this is something the Lord doesn't want me to be involved with.
Decades later I was listening to the Art Bell show and they discussed the OBE Experience, and they mentioned the, "Vibrations", and I realized that was exactly what I also experienced, decades ago in the barracks.
But, as I think I've stated, when I was a young kid, after my father had passed on, my Mom had gotten into paranormal things and I read about OBE's and NDE's and the like and I've realized kind of recently, that it set me up for receiving Christ, when I was 17. As I was already convinced about the soul, and that we lived on, beyond this world.
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"Through his ignorance, man fears death; but the death he shrinks from is imaginary and absolutely unreal; it is only human imagination."
‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Bahá’í World Faith, p. 264
But, you don't realize that in the timeless, the greater reality and truth, so is your life.
‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Bahá’í World Faith, p. 264
But, you don't realize that in the timeless, the greater reality and truth, so is your life.
Echoes of Epicurus' advice to Menoeceus:
(Full text here: http://classics.mit.edu/Epicurus/menoec.html )
If .... AND...if....then...
Therefor if not then not and if not both then not.
So 75% not
25% yes...if all things are equal, but me thinks we have some biased hyperbole and our actual rank is highly unlikely
Therefor if not then not and if not both then not.
So 75% not
25% yes...if all things are equal, but me thinks we have some biased hyperbole and our actual rank is highly unlikely
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Thomas -
"It would appear believers in Matrixism have opted for the Blue Pill."
Well Thomas? I don't know how old you are but I've been around since the seventies, when I first heard about Reverend Wurmbrand through his book "Tortured for Christ", and the persecution and yes, "torture" for those who believed and were committed to Christ.
People were ripped from their homes for having secret church meetings, families ripped apart and put in inhumane conditions for believing. Being victims of sadistic guards in the communist countries, behind the "Iron Curtain".
And today?
The masses find conspiracies involving a virus vaccine, while the hospitals have to contract refrigerated trailers to house the corpses.
We think we know reality, based upon our organic world.
But there are the anomalies with which we choose to believe, or ignore. Nevertheless they exist.
These anomalies ought to be showing us that our organic situation is contrived, Thomas.
Yes, we have developed these technologies to help us feel like this world is more like Paradise. But, Paradise does exist, and it is a timeless situation.
Apart from this organic framework.
"It would appear believers in Matrixism have opted for the Blue Pill."
Well Thomas? I don't know how old you are but I've been around since the seventies, when I first heard about Reverend Wurmbrand through his book "Tortured for Christ", and the persecution and yes, "torture" for those who believed and were committed to Christ.
People were ripped from their homes for having secret church meetings, families ripped apart and put in inhumane conditions for believing. Being victims of sadistic guards in the communist countries, behind the "Iron Curtain".
And today?
The masses find conspiracies involving a virus vaccine, while the hospitals have to contract refrigerated trailers to house the corpses.
We think we know reality, based upon our organic world.
But there are the anomalies with which we choose to believe, or ignore. Nevertheless they exist.
These anomalies ought to be showing us that our organic situation is contrived, Thomas.
Yes, we have developed these technologies to help us feel like this world is more like Paradise. But, Paradise does exist, and it is a timeless situation.
Apart from this organic framework.
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It seems to me, based on your presentation here, that Matrixism is a form of Christian Gnosticism, which has been around since the early centuries of our common era.
What you call Paradise, the ancient Gnostics usually called "the Pleroma" (the New Testament also uses this term, in slightly different ways, it is translated a "fulness")
What you call "blue pill" takers, the Gnostics called, variously, "sarkic", "hylics", "somatics", and so on - those who live in the body. The contrasted it to "psychics", "pneumatics" - your red pill takers, those who are awake to a spiritual reality.
The Matrix, they called "the Kenoma".
Thei had a being called the "Demiurge", which translates nicely to "public architect". He created the physical "organic" universe. His servants were the Archons, Matrixism has Agents. They lust for the Divine Spark which is at the heart of human beings. In Matrixism, the spark is represented by bioelectricity.
The Gnostics had the Aeons, emanations of the one God. They were paired beings, or hermaphroditic, depending on the gnostic sect in question. The most important pair to the Gnostics were Sophia and Christ. Matrixism has them in the form of Trinity and Neo.
The Gnostic narratives frequently feature a Fall, an event which led to the creation of this world we find ourselves in. Often, it is a foolish act committed by the Aeon of Wisdom, an act of creating or begetting without her partner, a virgin birth, bringing the Demiurge into existence. Matrixism contains a nod to this in the (sterile) creation of the machines, and presumably the Architect, and the subsequent shutting out of the light.
The Gnostic myths are bewildering in their variety and inconsistency, so the Matrix as a modern reception does not really stand apart.
My thoughts.
What are your thoughts on similarities and differences between Matrixism and ancient Christian Gnosticism, @Geo?
Is my assessment of Matrixism as a Gnostic religion a fair one?
What you call Paradise, the ancient Gnostics usually called "the Pleroma" (the New Testament also uses this term, in slightly different ways, it is translated a "fulness")
What you call "blue pill" takers, the Gnostics called, variously, "sarkic", "hylics", "somatics", and so on - those who live in the body. The contrasted it to "psychics", "pneumatics" - your red pill takers, those who are awake to a spiritual reality.
The Matrix, they called "the Kenoma".
Thei had a being called the "Demiurge", which translates nicely to "public architect". He created the physical "organic" universe. His servants were the Archons, Matrixism has Agents. They lust for the Divine Spark which is at the heart of human beings. In Matrixism, the spark is represented by bioelectricity.
The Gnostics had the Aeons, emanations of the one God. They were paired beings, or hermaphroditic, depending on the gnostic sect in question. The most important pair to the Gnostics were Sophia and Christ. Matrixism has them in the form of Trinity and Neo.
The Gnostic narratives frequently feature a Fall, an event which led to the creation of this world we find ourselves in. Often, it is a foolish act committed by the Aeon of Wisdom, an act of creating or begetting without her partner, a virgin birth, bringing the Demiurge into existence. Matrixism contains a nod to this in the (sterile) creation of the machines, and presumably the Architect, and the subsequent shutting out of the light.
The Gnostic myths are bewildering in their variety and inconsistency, so the Matrix as a modern reception does not really stand apart.
My thoughts.
What are your thoughts on similarities and differences between Matrixism and ancient Christian Gnosticism, @Geo?
Is my assessment of Matrixism as a Gnostic religion a fair one?
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The God of the Bible is not evil. For one.
The "Architect", is the chief rebel, "the covering cherub" in Ezekiel, who instigated this alternate paradigm, in which we find ourselves.
We are more and other than "this".
As also the scriptures affirm.
The many NDE accounts testify of this, as does also St. Paul, in 2 Cor. 12.
The Matrix is real Cino.
And, you are made of starlight.
The "Architect", is the chief rebel, "the covering cherub" in Ezekiel, who instigated this alternate paradigm, in which we find ourselves.
We are more and other than "this".
As also the scriptures affirm.
The many NDE accounts testify of this, as does also St. Paul, in 2 Cor. 12.
The Matrix is real Cino.
And, you are made of starlight.
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How does this:
I just get a laboured attempt to knit together a selection of loose cherry-picked concepts -- some perhaps to some degree true in themselves in the original context from which they are isolated -- mildly entertaining to try to follow, but eventually the supposed whole to be irrelevant, imo ...
go on to argue this:
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I just get a laboured attempt to knit together a selection of loose cherry-picked concepts -- some perhaps to some degree true in themselves in the original context from which they are isolated -- mildly entertaining to try to follow, but eventually the supposed whole to be irrelevant, imo ...
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Brings it into the realm of discussable and out of the realm of flat earth scientology
Gnostic sects tended to only view the Demiurge, the creator of this world, as evil, not the one God, or Monad. Substitute "this timeline" or "organic state" for "this world", and it looks similar to what you've been sharing about Matrixism here:
And the "more and other" could be parallelled by the Gnostic "divine spark", the "photon"?
Not saying this is actually your view, but to me the similarities are striking.
I do not question your sincerity, but I differ.
Starlight, stardust... same difference. Here we agree. Our atoms dance the same dance.