The Trinity, from the JW view.

[BlaznFattyz]

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. psalm 83;18

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Both the Father and Christ are one God, who is above all things, all names, in the highest place, whom all will bow to, and they are both the Lord, YHWH.

 

[Bishadi]

yes the bible is in print for all to read , some say the bible is fibs, some say it is inspired of God , mee says the bible is a message from God and it is very good



New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
No matter what our circumstances, the Bible contains the direction and counsel that we need. Read it daily.


All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
2 timothy 3;16-17

how about looking over the whole chapter

2 Timothy 3

1And this know thou, that in the last days there shall come perilous times,
2for men shall be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, evil-speakers, to parents disobedient, unthankful, unkind,
3without natural affection, implacable, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, not lovers of those who are good,

Note the without natural affection. Creationist have no care of the natural realities to evolution.

4traitors, heady, lofty, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God,

5having a form of piety, and its power having denied; and from these be turning away,
6for of these there are those coming into the houses and leading captive the silly women, laden with sins, led away with desires manifold,
7always learning, and never to a knowledge of truth able to come,

So to deny knowledge is what maintains blinders for them who pursue only faith.

8and, even as Jannes and Jambres stood against Moses, so also these do stand against the truth, men corrupted in mind, disapproved concerning the faith;

9but they shall not advance any further, for their folly shall be manifest to all, as theirs also did become.

As to be complacent in faith alone, then they shall not advance any further.

10And thou -- thou hast followed after my teaching, manner of life, purpose, faith, long-suffering, love, endurance,

11the persecutions, the afflictions, that befel me in Antioch, in Iconium, in Lystra; what persecutions I endured, and out of all the Lord did deliver me,
12and all also who will to live piously in Christ Jesus shall be persecuted,
13and evil men and impostors shall advance to the worse, leading astray and being led astray.

Such that to follow blindly and then teach without true understanding, such that you not only die by this complacency, you harm and kill others by your selfish misgivings.

14And thou -- be remaining in the things which thou didst learn and wast entrusted with, having known from whom thou didst learn,

15and because from a babe the Holy Writings thou hast known, which are able to make thee wise -- to salvation, through faith that [is] in Christ Jesus;
16every Writing [is] God-breathed, and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for setting aright, for instruction that [is] in righteousness,

All mankind can contribute to writing, and to learn and teach knowledge, is good.

17that the man of God may be fitted -- for every good work having been completed.

That to be aware of true knowledge, all things can be known, all issues of medicine, life and compassion can be known equally with all of mankind.


This chapter shares that ignorance is a failure!

Then again, if you maintained the convictions you claim, not a one of us here would be exposed to the material you continue to convey. As you would not believe a computer could work without God filling the screen with pretty pictures and words.

I mean, would you share what chapter we can learn, a 'windows' program or how to become a doctor.

or will invoke an inquisition for all doctors based on 'alchemy' as they must all be witch doctors.. to know anything over the 1914 teaching where each man is now allowed to call god by his first name.......

point being made, is that failure of the faithful will be the demise to any further religious following.......

Let's hope, others are compassionate with patience and forgive the atrocities of the conveyors of complacent ignorance!

 

[mee]

how about looking over the whole chapter

Note the without natural affection.

yes the bible foretold that our times would be very critical indeed .
as 2 timothy 3 mentions .
peoples attitudes are just like those mentioned .
the bible really does come true . and we really are in the last days.


But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.

 

[mee]

Therefore God exalted him quote]

yes the most high certainly did exalt him he was given kingship .Daniel 7;13-14

 

[Bishadi]

yes the bible foretold that our times would be very critical indeed .
as 2 timothy 3 mentions .
peoples attitudes are just like those mentioned .
the bible really does come true . and we really are in the last days.

"Note the without natural affection. Creationist have no care of the natural realities to evolution "

So mee me and your selfish intent to continue the fibs of religion;

Are you a creationist?

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.

And it appears you are having a tough time observing reality oh keeper of the mee me..... 'selfish ignorance'

2

For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,

Sounds like aaaaaaaaa YOU .. oh mee me

3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,

yep ... definitely a mee me.....

4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,

That must have had your name in the subtitle oh faithful mee me........ 'betrayer, headstrong.... and PUFFED UP"

5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.

and I promise you and existence itself..... the truth will bring PEACE

These preaching type "have a form of godly devotion but proven false" by the truth of reality.

As knowledge evolved in time... and it is that time, ..... knowledge and UNDERSTANDING will combine the tribes of men as ONE with existence and never again will the corruption of theologies ever control our children and world within GOD (natural existence) ever again.....

 

[mee]

"the truth will bring PEACE

very true indeed

For, "he that would love life and see good days, let him restrain his tongue from what is bad and [his] lips from speaking deception, 1 peter 3;10


It is the lip of truth that will be firmly established forever, but the tongue of falsehood will be only as long as a moment. proverbs 12;19

Turn away from what is bad, and do what is good;
Seek to find peace, and pursue it. psalm 34;14 ​

The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it. psalm 37;29 ​

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of PEACE. psalm 37;11 ​

 

[Bishadi]

very true indeed

For, "he that would love life and see good days, let him restrain his tongue from what is bad and [his] lips from speaking deception, 1 peter 3;10


It is the lip of truth that will be firmly established forever, but the tongue of falsehood will be only as long as a moment. proverbs 12;19

Turn away from what is bad, and do what is good;
Seek to find peace, and pursue it. psalm 34;14 ​

The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it. psalm 37;29 ​

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of PEACE. psalm 37;11 ​

Hey...... you shared some real words.........

so then we can assume that from now on you will never

he that would love life and see good days, let him restrain his tongue from what is bad and [his] lips from speaking deception

Will you never say or suggest a magical 'forgiveness' will ever absolve any human being of remaining purely responsible to everything they ever impose to existence.

I never said do not read humble contributions; I said never lie or speak of untrue, unnatural and purely biased fibs.... do not continue the lie!

 

[mee]

do not continue the lie!

Lying began when a rebellious angel lied to the first woman, telling her that she would not die if she disobeyed her Creator. It resulted in incalculable harm to the entire human race, bringing imperfection, sickness, and death to all.—Genesis 3:1-4; Romans 5:12.

Who Told the First Lie?​

Jesus Christ identified the first liar, and he showed that it was not a human. ​

He said: "When he [Satan] speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44) ​

So the first liar was Satan the Devil. When did he start telling lies? According to the Bible, it was shortly after the beginning of the history of the human race.​

 

[Bishadi]

The Fall of Man

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

This a story with much responsibility and the use as many suggest is quite rude.

First, man and women had not the consciousness prior to the event and to observe the context of the story, it is to share that thought began as the concept of choice began existence; as an ‘awareness.’ For example; the choice of sides or contemplation, as well when observance began, the self became a point of concern.

It is when we began to observe the self as ‘outside of nature.’

It is when man began to hide from the truth (god) rather than remain with nature.

In nature, the things do not have the consciousness of choice (good and bad), they live under the instinct simply pure (good: to support life) to continue. They need nothing of the pockets or taking of nature but to continue, reproduce and live within God as the evolution prepared.

It is when man became aware that they can live to create life by choice, that he (man) was in the ‘image of god.’

22</SPAN> And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

As this suggests man can create life, but not take for the self and live in contributions.

Meaning; we can choose to contribute but we cannot take the profits from others and also live in them contributions. So it is either we are truly giving of ourselves for the benefit of others, or not!

 

[mee]

For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive




1 corinthians 15;22

 

[Bishadi]

For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive




1 corinthians 15;22

Seems you failed to address a couple items;

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us

as well to comprehend evolution and how a portion of a father and mother are literally alive within us as we stand. (think mass and energy or physical facts)

and then you could realize, that since you and I are standing (actually sitting) here, then Adam and Eve are alive still!


So please in your JW'd view, please tell us why LORD God said.... 'the man has now become like one of us'

as well, why Adam and Eve are actually still alive in all of us!

But if you really want to get technical we could change their names to 'atoms and energy'..... and finish the story!

 

[mee]

So please in your JW'd view, please tell us why LORD God said.... 'the man has now become like one of us'
!

Adam and Eve certainly got to know what was good and what was bad didnt they .
instead of obeying Jehovah, who has both the right and the wisdom necessary to determine good and bad.
they went in their own way . not good
disobediently becoming a law to themselves,


So their independent knowledge, or standard, of good and bad was not like that of Jehovah. Rather, it was one that led them to misery.—Jer 10:23.

 

[Bishadi]

Adam and Eve certainly got to know what was good and what was bad didnt they .
instead of obeying Jehovah, who has both the right and the wisdom necessary to determine good and bad.
they went in their own way . not good
disobediently becoming a law to themselves,


So their independent knowledge, or standard, of good and bad was not like that of Jehovah. Rather, it was one that led them to misery.—Jer 10:23.

Did the old book suggest adam and eve are the first man and women?

And are we as people, still on earth?

Did the old book suggest 'and god said', adam is 'like us'; a creator?

Well since, we can each create a life, and since we are still here as inhabitants of the world from the first man............ then it is safe to say, maybe ADAM is STILL alive.... in all of us, and since we can still experience choise and create life, then Heaven is right where we stand, now!

 

[Quahom1]

Did the old book suggest adam and eve are the first man and women?

And are we as people, still on earth?

Did the old book suggest 'and god said', adam is 'like us'; a creator?

Well since, we can each create a life, and since we are still here as inhabitants of the world from the first man............ then it is safe to say, maybe ADAM is STILL alive.... in all of us, and since we can still experience choise and create life, then Heaven is right where we stand, now!

It does suggest Adam and Eve as being the first.

This is earth as far as we know.

The bilbe does suggest we are creators.

Adam and Eve gave us their DNA, therefore logically they still are alive after a fashion.

The words of Jesus also suggest strongly that we are in the kingdom right now. But we can't sense it, because we are blind. The disicples however, and several others through life, could sense it.

 

[Bishadi]

It does suggest Adam and Eve as being the first.

This is earth as far as we know.

The bilbe does suggest we are creators.

Adam and Eve gave us their DNA, therefore logically they still are alive after a fashion.

The words of Jesus also suggest strongly that we are in the kingdom right now. But we can't sense it, because we are blind. The disicples however, and several others through life, could sense it.

We all can equally if we just remain honest to ourselves and represent the truth, first.

and since we can still experience choise and create life, then Heaven is right where we stand, now!

does it make sense to you as well?

how about some simple ideas to think on equally...

good: supports life

bad: loss to the common

from there simply be honest with yourself and the rest is easy....

 

[Quahom1]

We all can equally if we just remain honest to ourselves and represent the truth, first.




does it make sense to you as well?

how about some simple ideas to think on equally...

good: supports life

bad: loss to the common

from there simply be honest with yourself and the rest is easy....

Fine. Jesus is Lord, and God. It is as simple as apple pie.

 

[greymare]

i like apple pie

 

[mee]

Fine. Jesus is Lord, and God. It is as simple as apple pie.

but what does the bible teach us ?


And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." luke 9;35





Jesus knew that he was not equal to his Father but in every way was in a subordinate position.

He knew that he was a beloved Son who had deep love for his Father.

That is why, time and again, Jesus made statements such as the following: "The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing." (John 5:19)

"I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 6:38)

"What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." (John 7:16)

"I know him [God], because I am a representative from him, and that One sent me forth." (John 7:29)

as we can see the bible teaches us that Jesus is Gods son .

 

[BlaznFattyz]

but what does the bible teach us ?


And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." luke 9;35





Jesus knew that he was not equal to his Father but in every way was in a subordinate position.

He knew that he was a beloved Son who had deep love for his Father.

That is why, time and again, Jesus made statements such as the following: "The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing." (John 5:19)

"I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me." (John 6:38)

"What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." (John 7:16)

"I know him [God], because I am a representative from him, and that One sent me forth." (John 7:29)

as we can see the bible teaches us that Jesus is Gods son .

You are leaving out so much of who He is. You are leaving out the part where He was born a king and worshiped by angels and men, He is the Word of God who created all things, and is in heaven glorified on the throne as God who will judge mankind. the parts that you are speaking, you don't get it completely. He submits to the father not because he is not God, but emptied himself of his position in heaven, so he could be born under the law, fulfilling all things, laying down his life and taking it up again so we have eternal salvation through his sacrifice. This is how the Father reconciles us back to him--thru his Son. Even though there is a Father and a Son, they are both salvation, they are both redemption, they are both light, both truth, they are both the good shepherd, they are both God. But Jesus Christ is the way, for he laid done his life for us, and there is no other way to the Father but through him.

 

[mee]

you don't get it completely. quote]


I leave out the manmade trinity doctrine bits and stick to what the bible REALLY teaches ITS BETTER its pure bible teachings


and its very good