agnosticism

Edward Palamar said:
The Guiltless Founder was crucified to a tree for crimes He never committed. His second in command was crucified upside down. And to this day people still despise and hate Him.

It seems to me, you are the one who has not seen the real poverty.
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You're talking about John the Baptist & Simon Magus right? :D
 
Edward Palamar said:
The Guiltless Founder was crucified to a tree for crimes He never committed. His second in command was crucified upside down. And to this day people still despise and hate Him.
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Over five decades on the planet, travelled to every state in our union and a little outside the country...I've met folks of all religions and all walks of life, have heard the above from many, but have yet to meet one person who hates or despises Jesus...they may believe differently than I, but never met anyon who hates Jesus.

Now I have found some folks who have issues with his arrogant unChristianlike followers...
 
wil said:
Over five decades on the planet, travelled to every state in our union and a little outside the country...I've met folks of all religions and all walks of life, have heard the above from many, but have yet to meet one person who hates or despises Jesus...they may believe differently than I, but never met anyon who hates Jesus.

Now I have found some folks who have issues with his arrogant unChristianlike followers...
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You know that is interesting. Being a Luciferian and someone who's spent 35 years of their 50 inside the occult community, I agree.

The Left Hand Paths might have had their episodes of Anti-Jesus but in the end He is (whether real or fictional) a symbol/metaphor/archetype for Freedom of Will. A great Magus was he!
 
Etu Malku said:
You know that is interesting. Being a Luciferian and someone who's spent 35 years of their 50 inside the occult community, I agree.

The Left Hand Paths might have had their episodes of Anti-Jesus but in the end He is (whether real or fictional) a symbol/metaphor/archetype for Freedom of Will. A great Magus was he!
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As one who has spent her years outside of the religious communities, I would agree.

Case in point about free-will: Jesus was big on love. If love is not freely given is it really real?
 
Edward Palamar said:
Seemingly endless lists of gods and sub-gods without unity nor a prayer for such.

And it is written that Jesus, as a little boy, beat up bullies and made birds out of clay - the point : if some one tells you to stick your hand in the fire, you don't have to if you already know the outcome.
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I can think of no faith which does not have a concept of God's oneness... the "endless lists of gods" in many religions merely personify particular aspects of that one God. I suggest you educate yourself before talking on other faiths.

Perhaps, for the masses, polytheism has been upheld, but never in the mystic core of the faith. Not in Greece, not in Rome, not in Egypt, not in India. All mystics throughout history have pointed to that Oneness, it is FAR from unique to the Abrahamic line. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that Abraham or Moses has simply taken from Egypt the concept of Mahat, then merely taken stories from elsewhere as Paul has admitting to doing with Christianity.
 
Edward Palamar said:
There is only one Christ, Jesus, who gave us His body and blood as expiation for sin on Calvary that we may live. Putting trust in anyone else, as Christ, is casting your pearls before swine.
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Christ means anointed, you think, throughout history, only one man has ever been anointed? lol

I put my trust in existence, in God himself, I do not cling to any of his servants. Jesus' words have had some value along my journey, but I am a servant of God myself, what need is there to worship my peer?

Without God, none of them are relevant at all, they are just mediocre men.
 
Edward Palamar said:
It seems to me, you are the one who has not seen the real poverty.
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Well, when I travel to 2nd and 3rd world countries, I don't spend all my time hanging out in fancy churches or giving fancy ceremonies like the Pope does (much of his foreign time is spent giving masses; just what those poor folks need, another mass, probably in Latin so they don't even understand what he's actually saying).

I instead like to get out on the street and meet the locals, see how others live in this world, try to understand their perspective on life. You know, like Jesus used to do.

If the Pope saw the true poverty on the streets of Latin America, where many countries have a large majority of Catholic faithful, he might have a better perspective on the effect of his contraception teachings. If Jesus were alive today I can't imagine he would be telling poor and destitute Catholics, those who are living in a cardboard shack and can't even put enough food on the table and whose kids are out begging on the street instead of attending school; I can't imagine Jesus would tell them to be fruitful and multiply and deny them birth control.

In my opinion, the Pope has the most power to help end poverty of any human alive today, by allowing birth control to be used in 3rd world Catholic countries. But maybe he hasn't seen real poverty either...

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The whole idea of Yeshua dying for our Sins is absurd. First, isn't Yeshua not exactly the 'son' of god, but rather god made flesh? Father-Son-Holy Ghost are all one and the same? That being, why would god kill himself? So, god makes himself into the flesh, gives everyone sin, then kills himself to rid everyone of it . . . absurdity.

How about this instead? Yeshua created yet another Jewish sect, pissed off the Jews, they in turn used the Roman empire as a tool, and ta da . . . crucified.
 
Edward Palamar said:
Chapter 20. Of the Senses, and Their Pleasures in the Brutes and in Man; And of Pleasures of the Eyes, and Spectacles.

For when God forbids us to kill, He not only prohibits us from open violence, which is not even allowed by the public laws, but He warns us against the commission of those things which are esteemed lawful among men. Thus it will be neither lawful for a just man to engage in warfare, since his warfare is justice itself, nor to accuse any one of a capital charge, because it makes no difference whether you put a man to death by word, or rather by the sword, since it is the act of putting to death itself which is prohibited. Therefore, with regard to this precept of God, there ought to be no exception at all; but that it is always unlawful to put to death a man, whom God willed to be a sacred animal.
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Again, you miss the point. Christians have slughtered millions of innocents in the Lord's Name. You can go ahead and say "they were not really Christians" and while you have the right to believe that, the simple fact is that you are seriously abusing the term. What you think does not translate into "thus it must be".

Pax et amore vincunt omnia.
 
Edward Palamar said:
Case in point.
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radarmark said:
You really are too much ROTFLOL!
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Edward Palamar said:
You may apologize at :

Introductions for "We, the living", to be "caught up in the air"

otherwise, I hold your sins bound to suffer far worse - and this is for your own good.
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Well EP, you make it difficult to stay loving and hold one's tongue.

Peace be with you my son, and all you touch, despite yourself.

Greetings in the Resurrected Christ!

There had passed nearly 1,925 years and almost 55 more until I could write this as an administrator of a forum.

The Resurrection and Rapture has begun, and will never go away!

Glory to the Resurrected Christ!

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but I remain,
the Resurrected Prophet of the Most High,
St. John the Baptist,
whom Jesus Christ called "the Elias who was to come",
enjoying the rapture of Christ's love in the duty of Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman),
your ultimate, penultimate authority,
your penultimate, ultimate authority.
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Edward Palamar said:
You may apologize at :

Introductions for "We, the living", to be "caught up in the air"

otherwise, I hold your sins bound to suffer far worse - and this is for your own good.
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Ahem:
Ephesians 2:1-5

1 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,
2 wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience;
3 among whom we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest:--
4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved),
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You do know that some of the "living" (those made alive in Christ) have been said to fall away from the Spirit and into delusion?
2 Thessalonians 2
 
To "raise up" simply means to ascend.
These verses say also that Jesus will descend.

This is naught but enlightenment itself, just replacing Jesus with God... in that meeting place, duality is annihilated. At-one-ment is experienced, and a few on this forum have experienced this...

No one is going to be floating into the air toward heaven - heaven isn't a physical place, for starters, what point would there be to going into the sky? It merely shows the doctrine has been created before people became knowledgeable about the universe. It is hilarious and pitiful that this doctrine actually works on people even today, it is simply absurd.
 
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