God to You

[Etu Malku]

Subjugation of the masses is easier if they believe in "absolute truth". i.e. "I have the truth, follow me" or "God is on our side, they are our enemy." Any religious wars, with "God" on their particular side, use that logic.

Much more difficult to subjugate the masses if people actually think for themselves and have their own subjective truth independent of a book or Tradition.

Something about Freedom of Will?

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Subjugation of the masses is easier if they believe in "absolute truth". i.e. "I have the truth, follow me" or "God is on our side, they are our enemy." Any religious wars, with "God" on their particular side, use that logic.

Much more difficult to subjugate the masses if people actually think for themselves and have their own subjective truth independent of a book or Tradition.

You are not considering this correctly.

Anything other then tradition = a "Fad".

These youths are not fashion nor dress designers.

There is an absolute reason for useing a "pants belt" ---but they are redefining it.

Let's say if we had this discussion before the 9-11 attacks . . . I'd be saying the same thing about the outcome 10 years later ---we are forced to live and die in a way dictated by the latest "Fad" of iconoclast bullies.

Tell your local legislators to go home and stop doing whatever it is they are doing, because:

"repetition of the same act without a different result is the actions of an insane person".

"Birth as a Human is a terrible thing to waste" ---Rig Veda Chapter 1 verse 1

 

[Bhaktajan II]

"I have the truth, follow me"
or
"God is on our side, they are our enemy."

Any religious wars, with "God" on their particular side, use that logic.

You are not considering this correctly.
Look up the word "CONSCRIPTION".
Look up the experiences of those "with nothing else to lose"
Circumstances force us to swim on our own or drown.
We are followers and followers make the world go round.

Much more difficult to subjugate the masses if people actually think for themselves and have their own subjective truth independent of a book or Tradition.

Yeah Like a common language and common culture and common monetary Currency . . . or how about the repetative equal heights of a step in a flight of stairs; how about a 2,500 calorie a day diet; how about equal pay for all irregardless of the output of their efforts or skill level?

Communism was not tradition but "social engineering"

Intelligence is the ability to descriminate between one thing and another.
IE: Intelligence is required to differentiate Butter from cheese and Milk from yogurt etc.

If the entire universe is composed of relatives with subjective POVs ---then I say, That Status Quo description is the definition and manifestation of Absolute Existence.

The Macro Absolute Truth encompasses all the varigated phatasmagoria of permutations of Relative Truths.

 

[Etu Malku]

You are not considering this correctly.
Look up the word "CONSCRIPTION".
Look up the experiences of those "with nothing else to lose"
Circumstances force us to swim on our own or drown.
We are followers and followers make the world go round.

that is truly sad then . . . I am not fond of being sheeple.

Communism was not tradition but "social engineering"

What isn't social engineering, indoctrination, brainwashing, psychological entrainment when it comes to any other than Your Self?

Intelligence is the ability to descriminate between one thing and another.
IE: Intelligence is required to differentiate Butter from cheese and Milk from yogurt etc.

I suppose 'human' intelligence is a bit different?
1.capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.
2.manifestation of a high mental capacity: He writes with intelligence and wit.
3.the faculty of understanding.
4.knowledge of an event, circumstance, etc., received or imparted; news; information.
5.the gathering or distribution of information, especially secret information.

The Macro Absolute Truth encompasses all the varigated phatasmagoria of permutations of Relative Truths.

Wow . . . huh?

 

[Bhaktajan II]

that is truly sad then . . . I am not fond of being sheeple.

That called anti-social.

Or anti-Use of telephone Yellow-Pages services.

What isn't social engineering, indoctrination, brainwashing, psychological entrainment when it comes to any other than Your Self?

Being the boss of others.

and

Private silent Mantra meditation will cause all the rising and falling 10,000 things to stand-down while the Center of conscious self notices itself.

http://www.interfaith.org/forum/classical-silent-mantra-meditation-12727.html

Be all you can be when unencombered by you mass-consciousness ego.

I suppose 'human' intelligence is a bit different?
1.capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.
2.manifestation of a high mental capacity: He writes with intelligence and wit.
3.the faculty of understanding.
4.knowledge of an event, circumstance, etc., received or imparted; news; information.
5.the gathering or distribution of information, especially secret information.

huh? You are assuming that I can differentiate between each letter and word of your post ---that is the only way I'd be able to understand the subtle nuanaces of one definition and the other/next definition.

 

[Etu Malku]

That called anti-social.

since when is this called anti-social? Perhaps antinomian but not anti-social.

Being the boss of others.

social engineering, indoctrination, brainwashing, psychological entrainment are all being the 'boss' of another, it falls within the science of NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming), something religion is fantastic at.

Private silent Mantra meditation will cause all the rising and falling 10,000 things to stand-down while the Center of conscious self notices itself.

Mantram is a sound, syllable, word, or group of words that are considered capable of "creating transformation" . . . all unfounded are part of brain entrainment and NLP using trance induction.

Be all you can be when unencombered by you mass-consciousness ego.

Ego is all we have, and a balanced ego is key to a delusion-less existence.

Originally Posted by Etu Malku
I suppose 'human' intelligence is a bit different?
1.capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc.
2.manifestation of a high mental capacity: He writes with intelligence and wit.
3.the faculty of understanding.
4.knowledge of an event, circumstance, etc., received or imparted; news; information.
5.the gathering or distribution of information, especially secret information.

huh? You are assuming that I can differentiate between each letter and word of your post ---that is the only way I'd be able to understand the subtle nuanaces of one definition and the other/next definition.

It's easy . . . 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5

 

[Ben Masada]

I'm sure this must have been done to death somewhere here but I thought I'd 'resurrect' this question?

Explain what God is to you, your Belief, or what it is Not.

As far as I am concerned, God is the Creator of the universe for three reasons: The first reason is based on the concept of probability. Since I don't have all the facts to deny that God is the Creator of the universe, I believe that He probably is.

The second reason is that of Einstein. When he was asked if he believed in God, he answered and said that all his life was to catch God at His work of creation. Science has observed that the universe is expanding and the scientists just do not understand how and why. It could very well be God at His wok of creation. When death finally cought up with Einstein, he was working on his theory of everything. Till this day, nobody knows what this theory would be about.

And the third reason is based, by default, on the ignorance of asthrophysicists to explain the origin of the universe. This fact confirms the feasibility of the concept of probability. If we don't know all we need about God, we have no choice but to believe in the probability that indeed He could exist after all. That's the only way to escape King David's charges that only fools declare in their hearts that God does not exist. (Psalm 14:1)
Ben

 

[Etu Malku]

As far as I am concerned, God is the Creator of the universe for three reasons: The first reason is based on the concept of probability. Since I don't have all the facts to deny that God is the Creator of the universe, I believe that He probably is.

The second reason is that of Einstein. When he was asked if he believed in God, he answered and said that all his life was to catch God at His work of creation. Science has observed that the universe is expanding and the scientists just do not understand how and why. It could very well be God at His wok of creation. When death finally cought up with Einstein, he was working on his theory of everything. Till this day, nobody knows what this theory would be about.

And the third reason is based, by default, on the ignorance of asthrophysicists to explain the origin of the universe. This fact confirms the feasibility of the concept of probability. If we don't know all we need about God, we have no choice but to believe in the probability that indeed He could exist after all. That's the only way to escape King David's charges that only fools declare in their hearts that God does not exist. (Psalm 14:1)
Ben

Weak
The concept of probability is in our favor not yours, there has never been any evidence of god from the onset of human beings/historical Man, therefore the probability is next to nil. This doesn't even consider the probability factors that Richard Dawkins cites which refer to possibilities of an omniscient/omnipotent god forms.

Einstein rejected any kind of personal god, though didn't claim to be an atheist, he was more of an agnostic.

Your third claim is ridiculous and I can't even comment. Astrophysics is not out to prove or disprove the existence of god.

All in all, an agnostic view is the better path to take, no one knows and it may be plausible that we do not have the ability to know.

 

[IowaGuy]

As far as I am concerned, God is the Creator of the universe for three reasons

Hi Ben. IMHO your arguments, as Etu suggests, are actually stronger for agnosticism than for theism:

Argument #1: "I don't have all the facts to deny that God is the Creator of the universe"

Noboy has all the facts to prove or disprove the existence of God. I would go so far as to say God's existence is unprovable. Why not just admit that we can't prove/disprove God which is agnosticism in a nutshell.


Argument #2: paraphrase: Einstein was pantheist/agnostic

Einstein's theory of everything does nothing to prove the existence of an Abrahamic God. Einstein believed more in a pantheist-type of God that set the rules of engagement for the universe.


Argument #3: we don't understand the origins of the universe

2,000 years ago we didn't know the origins of thunder & lightning, which was attributed to "God". Not understanding something or not having enough evidence to make a solid decision is good reason for agnosticism, IMHO.


Many theists think using science to try to "prove" God's existence actually weakens the theistic argument (and I agree). A stronger argument for God's existence is divine revelation, Tradition, faith, etc - not scientific proofs or lack of scientific proofs.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Mantram is a sound, syllable, word, or group of words that are considered capable of "creating transformation" . . . all unfounded are part of brain entrainment and NLP using trance induction.

It this from a book titled "Zen and the art of brain entrainment and Neuro Linguistic Programming"?

Isn't "Neuro Linguistic Programming" sold as "Rosetta Stone" immersion language courses?

And isn't Canada's Montreal School System engaged in French "Language Immersion" in it's school system?

By Jove and Maxwell Bean! I think your have triangulated the French Connection that ties the Bermuda triangle EMF to lost Transports for decades past.

Gosh-by-Gosh, stop by your local general store and say Hi to Pop & Jeans made-in-Japan.
Bhaktajan wishing you Peter Max Dreams

Mantra is a focus Point Grasshoper.
It's a 'wax-on, wax-off in-the-zone affair usually employed by elite "Mushin" minded boshido-nistas.

Bruce Lee's Wing-chung wu-shu's 'Pushing-hands' examplifies the Tao's "yielding and overcoming" best IMO.

Thus, the sense of self-preservation must be motivate the depths of our inner core to survive and then repose a pastural setting and thus cultivate a singular Invocating Prayer that jettisons all trappings while knowing the eye of the needle's examination may come as a pop quiz with little notice.

Carp Diem --- Birth as a Human is terrible thing to waste, one day after a day after day . . .

Bhaktajan
A Devotee of Krishna, who, of course, endorses the broadcast of Krishna's Name, fame, form, personality, paraphenalia, entourage and pastimes of none other than the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Bhagavan Shree Krishna.

{PS: Don't try this without certified instructions. Beware of Bogus Yogi Svenghalis . . . but we all know that much}

 

[seattlegal]

that is truly sad then . . . I am not fond of being sheeple.

That called anti-social.

an·ti·so·cial

   [an-tee-soh-shuh

l, an-tahy-]
adjective 1.unwilling or unable to associate in a normal or friendly way with other people: He's not antisocial, just shy.

2.antagonistic, hostile, or unfriendly toward others; menacing; threatening: an antisocial act.

3.opposed or detrimental to social order or the principles on which society is constituted: antisocial behavior.

4.Psychiatry. of or pertaining to a pattern of behavior in which social norms and the rights of others are persistently violated.


noun 5.a person exhibiting antisocial traits.​

Accusation does not fit definition. That is called slander, which is considered anti-social.

 

[Etu Malku]

an·ti·so·cial

   [an-tee-soh-shuh

l, an-tahy-]
adjective 1.unwilling or unable to associate in a normal or friendly way with other people: He's not antisocial, just shy.

2.antagonistic, hostile, or unfriendly toward others; menacing; threatening: an antisocial act.

3.opposed or detrimental to social order or the principles on which society is constituted: antisocial behavior.

4.Psychiatry. of or pertaining to a pattern of behavior in which social norms and the rights of others are persistently violated.


noun 5.a person exhibiting antisocial traits.​

Accusation does not fit definition. That is called slander, which is considered anti-social.

Not sure where you're going here but I'll play along!

Originally Posted by bhaktajan
You are not considering this correctly.
Look up the word "CONSCRIPTION".
Look up the experiences of those "with nothing else to lose"
Circumstances force us to swim on our own or drown.
We are followers and followers make the world go round.

This statement: We are followers and followers make the world go round. Is what I was referring to when I said it is sad and that I don't like Sheeple. I count myself as not a follower and have no desire to follow, I am more interested in Individualism and Individuation.

How this can be misconstrued to be anti-social needs to be explained to me?

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Originally Posted by IowaGuy
"I have the truth, follow me"
or
"God is on our side, they are our enemy."

Any religious wars, with "God" on their particular side, use that logic.

Originally Posted by bhaktajan
You are not considering this correctly.
Look up the word "CONSCRIPTION".
Look up the experiences of those "with nothing else to lose"
Circumstances force us to swim on our own or drown.
We are followers and followers make the world go round.

Originally Posted by bhaktajan

Originally Posted by bhaktajan
Anything other then tradition = a "Fad".

Originally Posted by Etu Malku

that is truly sad then . . . I am not fond of being sheeple.

 

[seattlegal]

Collectivists who call nonconformist individuals "anti-social" simply because they don't follow along are committing slander. Ironically, slander IS considered to be anti-social behavior.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Originally Posted by IowaGuy "I have the truth, follow me"
or
"God is on our side, they are our enemy."

Any religious wars, with "God" on their particular side, use that logic.

Originally Posted by bhaktajanYou are not considering this correctly.
Look up the word "CONSCRIPTION".
Look up the experiences of those "with nothing else to lose"
Circumstances force us to swim on our own or drown.
We are followers and followers make the world go round.

Originally Posted by bhaktajan
Anything other then tradition = a "Fad".

Originally Posted by Etu Malku

that is truly sad then . . . I am not fond of being sheeple.

Who coined the term "Sheeple" was it Micheal Savage or Bill O'Reilly?

I don't think it was Micheal Moore, was it? ---of couse than, it would be different.

I count myself as not a follower and have no desire to follow, I am more interested in Individualism and Individuation.

Let me borrow from George Castanza:

"But you are Blanche, you are Sheeple!"

And you can't escape the facilities.

...........................................................
Everyone joins in all sorts of societal activities to the best of their abilities.
Just reference all the services availible for hire as listed in the Yellow Pages of the Telephone Directory.

Oh it just occurred to me: Toilets come in One-Size-Fits-all ... to all these commonly accept "means of productions" would you deney that you are not a card carring member? And ascribe to chants like:

"I am not a follower! I am an Individual with unique Individuation."

Such that in the event of National Consription ---you will go awol to Canada or to the Woods & Mountains?

Yes, I know Buddhist sutra mention that we are all Fish in the stream amongst the School-of-Fish . . . and we spiritual minded unique individual SHOULD seek to escape the stream that forces us to stay in-line . . . but I get the feeeling you are referring to the Artistic avantguard ie: Routines for Talent shows and the like ie: Raggie-Rapper-Opera Street troubadour or a fabulous Fashion designer.

Maybe you simple mean that you'd be judged a "4-F" candidate.

"Registrant not acceptable for military service. To be eligible for Class 4-F, a registrant must have been found not qualified for service in the Armed Forces by a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) under the established physical, mental, or moral standards. The standards of physical fitness that would be used in a future draft would come from AR 40-501"

Best wishes avoid paying taxes like the rest of us Working-Stiffs,
Bhaktajan

PS: Beware of television Commercials hawking medicine . . . listen to the fast talking chap at the end when he mentions the fatal side-effects. Funny, how much legal-tender it costs to propagate licit drugs of Prime-Time Boob-Tubing.

I assume that, at the least, as per your submission, we can all rely on you to not join up with the counter-insurgents.

 

[radarmark]

As far as I am concerned, God is the Creator of the universe for three reasons: The first reason is based on the concept of probability. Since I don't have all the facts to deny that God is the Creator of the universe, I believe that He probably is.

Pretty straightforward reply to the OP. In terms of probability physics presents a very hard choice to the Cosmologist. First, the likelihood that a virtual particle metamorphized into the universe (pretty much the only physics-based explanation) is just too small to be calculated. All other theories of the origination of the universe assume that something "beyond physics" was responsible for the act of creation. I like the latter because it seems more probable (I am not saying it was a personal creator god).

The second reason is that of Einstein. When he was asked if he believed in God, he answered and said that all his life was to catch God at His work of creation. Science has observed that the universe is expanding and the scientists just do not understand how and why. It could very well be God at His wok of creation. When death finally cought up with Einstein, he was working on his theory of everything. Till this day, nobody knows what this theory would be about.

Einstein died pretty much a lone hold out to advancing science. Like Mach (who never did accept atomic theory), Einstein never accepted quantum theory (thus probably would have added little with his TOE). And his G!d was not a personal creator god but merely a creator who never ever could act in the universe.

And the third reason is based, by default, on the ignorance of asthrophysicists to explain the origin of the universe. This fact confirms the feasibility of the concept of probability. If we don't know all we need about God, we have no choice but to believe in the probability that indeed He could exist after all. That's the only way to escape King David's charges that only fools declare in their hearts that God does not exist. (Psalm 14:1)

Well, this one is really up in the air, but again very pertinent to the OP. The origin of the universe (as Hitchhiker's Guide put it) is a big, really, really big problem, you just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. So I am not surprized we haven't solved it yet, when we have only know about it for 50 years or so (when the steady state theory was first diproved). Science and physics may not lead one to G!d--but at least they no longer say He does not exist (a la LaPlace).

All in all, this was a rather thought-provoking post.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[Persona]

To me, God is LOVE.
Love is not just kisses & happy words.
Love is that which is best in the big objective picture of Truth (which only God being all-knowing is aware of).
When we love, we're hoping & striving for what (we think) is best, through trial & error (active faith).

From an astrological perspective, God is the dark matter/energy that permeates the universe (including us) that is invisible but known by its influence. It is the will that make subatomic particles unpredictable - because of choice.

 

[Saltmeister]

To me, God is LOVE. Love is not just kisses & happy words.

Love is about charity, generosity, hospitality and justice. It is about knowing the needs of others and meeting those needs.

 

[Thomas]

Love is the gift of self to the other, without condition.

God bless,

Thomas

 

[Etu Malku]

Actually, I think Love is a neuro-chemical release in our brains as a built in survival mechanism.