The significance of the life and death of Jesus?

[Gatekeeper]

Scripture says; Love is what I want not sacrifice, knowledge of God not holocaust.

Laying down your life for your friends is not speaking of laying down your life for man so much as it is for God. That is why He said "you are my friends if you do what I command you." He said as I do live on in my Love.

You are mistaken because you fail to understand scripture and the power of God.

Scripture has it;

"Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it".

"My words are life to those who find them, to mans whole being they are health."

"The heavens and the earth will pass away but my words will never pass."

The word of God is Life that lasts forever. Eternal life. It is the cross the son of man carry's.

Anyone who is not willing to pick up there cross and follow after me is not worthy of me.

With all due respect, you act as if our mental capacity to believe a certain thing is what makes one privy to God's love. I respectfully disagree and suggest that it is love that enables us to know God. We all have the capacity to love, but not all have the mental capacity to think and believe a certain way. God makes it easy for us to know him through love, hence it is written that those who love know God. In other words, it isn't what we think that matters, but rather how we live, what we contribute to society, and how we treat our fellow man.

 

[Princely]

With all due respect, you act as if our mental capacity to believe a certain thing is what makes one privy to God's love. I respectfully disagree and suggest that it is love that enables us to know God. We all have the capacity to love, but not all have the mental capacity to think and believe a certain way. God makes it easy for us to know him through love, hence it is written that those who love know God. In other words, it isn't what we think that matters, but rather how we live, what we contribute to society, and how we treat our fellow man.

Yes ,everyone has the capacity to love as man loves, but not as scripture defines what Gods love is or you would have heard my teaching. It is like scripture says"They will look but they will not see, listen, but they will not hear, until they repent and come to me and I shall heal them".And again "Who has stood in the council of the Lord to see Him and to hear His words. Who has heeded His words so as to announce it." Another;" I offer you praise Father,Lord of heaven and earth, for what you have hidden from the clever and the learned you have revealed to the humble child.

Only the son knows the Father and only the Father knows the son and whom ever the son wishes to reveal him.

Not everyone who cries to me Lord ,Lord will enter the kingdom of God but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father.

Psalms; I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. 9 You shall break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice before Him.

The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the decrees of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple. The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is clear, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever; the ordinances of the Lord are true all of them just.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Yes ,everyone has the capacity to love as man loves, but not as scripture defines what Gods love is or you would have heard my teaching. It is like scripture says"They will look but they will not see, listen, but they will not hear, until they repent and come to me and I shall heal them".And again "Who has stood in the council of the Lord to see Him and to hear His words. Who has heeded His words so as to announce it." Another;" I offer you praise Father,Lord of heaven and earth, for what you have hidden from the clever and the learned you have revealed to the humble child.

Only the son knows the Father and only the Father knows the son and whom ever the son wishes to reveal him.

Not everyone who cries to me Lord ,Lord will enter the kingdom of God but only those who do the will of my heavenly Father.

Psalms; I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: He said to me, "You are my son; today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession. 9 You shall break them with a rod of iron, and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice before Him.

The law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the decrees of the Lord are trustworthy, making wise the simple. The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is clear, enlightening the eyes; the fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever; the ordinances of the Lord are true all of them just.

I hear ya, I just disagree that in order to know God's love we all must have the same mental image of God and believe the same as you. Have you ever considered the notion that you may be incorrect in your assumptions? You want me to agree with you, but I don't. You seem to think that you speak for God, but you really don't. None of us do. We speak from our personal point of reference, which is how it should be.


We are all unique and it is because of this that we seldom agree on every point when it comes to issues of faith. Heck, we can't even agree on what love is. For some reason you think you know God's love, and you have convinced yourself that I do not because I disagree with your words. Who's right, who's wrong, who knows, and frankly ... who cares?


I simply believe that God's love is available to all mankind regardless of our personal convictions. This helps me sleep at night, knowing that we are diverse in our beliefs, yet also that God shines his love upon all humanity so that we all might know the grace therein.

 

[Lunitik]

We are all unique and it is because of this that we seldom agree on every point when it comes to issues of faith. Heck, we can't even agree on what love is. For some reason you think you know God's love, and you have convinced yourself that I do not because I disagree with your words.

It is bizarre to say "God's love" for 1 John 4:8 states that God *IS* love. You are essentially saying "Loves love", but then how to know true love, rather than the gross thing which humans proclaim as love - more a lust and attachment, dependence. All of the awakened ones point to a direct encounter with a love which is true, but it will be helpful to know what it is they point to...

Let us take Christianity, here they present the unmanifest and manifest immediately - the Father has begotten a Son. Begotten and manifest essentially mean the same thing, they both mean to make. Then what is the Holy Spirit? Holy comes from the old English "hal" which means "whole", so it is the Whole Spirit. If it is the whole then there is no division, no duality. In fact, most of the time it is simply called THE Spirit - sometimes of God, etc - of course I have added the caps because the languages discussing it have no such thing... the Holy Spirit is the truth of God, the Father and Son are the duality of God - yet each is God.

It is also interesting to note that the word Spirit is actually Breath in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Arabic - in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. What is the significance of it? Breath is what gives us life... thus it is saying life itself is God - I call it existence but what is there which is not living? Even our furniture, the atoms are constantly moving, can we call it dead? God is the One Life, you are part of life, discover the ramifications.

Certainly, how will a man, even a great man like Jesus, exist without breathing in and out life? Nothing in this plane can exist without God as defined by what I have said, why will anyone worship the effect rather than go to the cause, the source? This oneness, this is love, letting go of yourself to what is - whether wife, children, family, friend, stranger, whatsoever because each is merely an expression of existence - with utter trust.

How much more potent if you let go to it all, trust existence to watch over you? This is what religion tries to teach, simply to love life, appreciate its mystery, its miracle. How much nonsense there is for something so basic, encountering oneness so you can see that you cannot ever truly die because you are life itself. Even without this planet, life still carries on somewhere, and your essence is that.

 

[Gatekeeper]

It is bizarre to say "God's love" for 1 John 4:8 states that God *IS* love. You are essentially saying "Loves love", but then how to know true love, rather than the gross thing which humans proclaim as love - more a lust and attachment, dependence.

I think the spirit behind all life is love, but also that God is a bit more than love alone. On your second point I agree.

Let us take Christianity, here they present the unmanifest and manifest immediately - the Father has begotten a Son. Begotten and manifest essentially mean the same thing, they both mean to make. Then what is the Holy Spirit? Holy comes from the old English "hal" which means "whole", so it is the Whole Spirit. If it is the whole then there is no division, no duality. In fact, most of the time it is simply called THE Spirit - sometimes of God, etc - of course I have added the caps because the languages discussing it have no such thing... the Holy Spirit is the truth of God, the Father and Son are the duality of God - yet each is God.

I view existence to be God and the life giving spirit behind all life to be love (Holy Spirit).

It is also interesting to note that the word Spirit is actually Breath in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Arabic - in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. What is the significance of it? Breath is what gives us life... thus it is saying life itself is God - I call it existence but what is there which is not living? Even our furniture, the atoms are constantly moving, can we call it dead? God is the One Life, you are part of life, discover the ramifications.

No argument from me on this point

Certainly, how will a man, even a great man like Jesus, exist without breathing in and out life? Nothing in this plane can exist without God as defined by what I have said, why will anyone worship the effect rather than go to the cause, the source?

I prefer honoring reality the best I am able, just as I choose to value love. Who said anything about literal worship? Honor and value seems appropriate as far as I can tell.

This oneness, this is love, letting go of yourself to what is - whether wife, children, family, friend, stranger, whatsoever because each is merely an expression of existence - with utter trust.

live!

 

[Lunitik]

Seems appropriate?

It is like you think you can justify it, that you can repay in some way what has happened...

You exist, you are, and you are here, and all of this is. It seems utterly impossible, and yet here we are. There is no purpose in it, it is just happening for us to enjoy it. How can you give back? Simply enjoy, bask in it and just be grateful - even when things are going badly, you are here to know this, it is merely creating some contrast so you can enjoy better times ahead.

Understand you are one with existence itself, you are not separate and placed here to fight for your survival. Understand there is nothing to fight against, if you feel to fight, recognize that the enemy is also you - how can there be a winner? You will love all when you go deeply into this, because you are the all.

Many say live, but when I look in the world I see a lot of people trying to survive, there is nothing like real life in many. This is my struggle, to show all this secret, to stop allowing people to suffer pain unnecessary in the very places they seek peace.

It is truly amazing when you consider this place free from minds conclusions, without any answers because no questions arise. Other than to share that it is, existence has no purpose at all, yet it has chosen us to recognize this miracle.

Be in awe, but do not try to be honorable, this is naught but ego making a place for itself again.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Seems appropriate?

It is like you think you can justify it, that you can repay in some way what has happened...

You exist, you are, and you are here, and all of this is. It seems utterly impossible, and yet here we are. There is no purpose in it, it is just happening for us to enjoy it. How can you give back? Simply enjoy, bask in it and just be grateful - even when things are going badly, you are here to know this, it is merely creating some contrast so you can enjoy better times ahead.

Understand you are one with existence itself, you are not separate and placed here to fight for your survival. Understand there is nothing to fight against, if you feel to fight, recognize that the enemy is also you - how can there be a winner? You will love all when you go deeply into this, because you are the all.

Many say live, but when I look in the world I see a lot of people trying to survive, there is nothing like real life in many. This is my struggle, to show all this secret, to stop allowing people to suffer pain unnecessary in the very places they seek peace.

It is truly amazing when you consider this place free from minds conclusions, without any answers because no questions arise. Other than to share that it is, existence has no purpose at all, yet it has chosen us to recognize this miracle.

Be in awe, but do not try to be honorable, this is naught but ego making a place for itself again.

I think you misunderstand me. I don't think I need to repay anything, only live the best I am able (for me and for others). Awe is a good word, actually. Better than honor, so I appreciate the correction. I think we are somewhat on the same page, but you do take the liberty of making assumptions about people, don't you?

 

[Gatekeeper]

Seems appropriate?

It is like you think you can justify it, that you can repay in some way what has happened...

You exist, you are, and you are here, and all of this is. It seems utterly impossible, and yet here we are. There is no purpose in it, it is just happening for us to enjoy it. How can you give back? Simply enjoy, bask in it and just be grateful - even when things are going badly, you are here to know this, it is merely creating some contrast so you can enjoy better times ahead.

Understand you are one with existence itself, you are not separate and placed here to fight for your survival. Understand there is nothing to fight against, if you feel to fight, recognize that the enemy is also you - how can there be a winner? You will love all when you go deeply into this, because you are the all.

Many say live, but when I look in the world I see a lot of people trying to survive, there is nothing like real life in many. This is my struggle, to show all this secret, to stop allowing people to suffer pain unnecessary in the very places they seek peace.

It is truly amazing when you consider this place free from minds conclusions, without any answers because no questions arise. Other than to share that it is, existence has no purpose at all, yet it has chosen us to recognize this miracle.

Be in awe, but do not try to be honorable, this is naught but ego making a place for itself again.

Btw, I question everything! It is something I enjoy. Questions lead to observations, and then observations lead to answers, which lead to more questions, etc. I find it extremely stimulating! Don't presume to think that by thinking less you are less inclined to mind conclusions, however. You obviously think and also conclude that you are somewhat more enlightened than many of us here on the boards. I find this both mildly disturbing, yet if you have found a place of comfort, also relieving. We all deal with life differently, so if it gives you comfort then I say more power to ya!

 

[Princely]

I hear ya, I just disagree that in order to know God's love we all must have the same mental image of God and believe the same as you. Have you ever considered the notion that you may be incorrect in your assumptions? You want me to agree with you, but I don't. You seem to think that you speak for God, but you really don't. None of us do. We speak from our personal point of reference, which is how it should be.


We are all unique and it is because of this that we seldom agree on every point when it comes to issues of faith. Heck, we can't even agree on what love is. For some reason you think you know God's love, and you have convinced yourself that I do not because I disagree with your words. Who's right, who's wrong, who knows, and frankly ... who cares?


I simply believe that God's love is available to all mankind regardless of our personal convictions. This helps me sleep at night, knowing that we are diverse in our beliefs, yet also that God shines his love upon all humanity so that we all might know the grace therein.

No, you do not hear me if you did you would accept me. You belong to what is below. I belong to what is above. You belong to this world.Who ever accepts me accepts the One who sent me, the Lord.

The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me; he has sent me to bring good news to the oppressed, to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and release to the prisoners;To announce a year of favor from the Lord and a day of vindication by our God, to comfort all who mourn;
To place on those who mourn in Zion a diadem instead of ashes, To give them oil of gladness in place of mourning, a glorious mantle instead of a listless spirit. They will be called oaks of justice, planted by the Lord to show his glory.

The one who comes from above is above all; He who is of the world belongs to the world and speaks in a worldly way. The one who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what he has seen and heard, yet no one accepts his testimony. Whoever accepts his testimony certifies that God is truthful. The One who is sent by God, He speaks the words of God. His gift of the spirit is not rationed. The Father loves the Son and has given everything over to him. Whoever believes in the Son possesses eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but must endure the wrath of God.

"Truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above."
"Truly, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. Flesh makes flesh, spirit makes spirit. Do not be surprised that I tell you, you must all be born from above.

I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Lord except by me.

 

[Saltmeister]

All the laws of every faith rest on a single truth, that all is one.

If all is one, why do I see conflict?

Whatsoever is going to bring a community together is for that truth and thus legal, whatsoever will cause the community to dispute among themselves is illegal. This is what the statements of love reference, love is the feeling of binding with another, thus you should love your neighbor as much as you love yourself, knowing both are one and that oneness is the Lord.

There is no oneness. It is an ideal, a goal, a condition to be maintained and achieved.

yet Jesus says he has come to divide. For me, this puts Jesus below those such as Buddha and Lao Tzu.

I think Jesus was making a bold statement. It shows that whatever he believed in was not what you believe in. Jesus' beliefs never had to fit anyone's ideals. Jesus wasn't really talking about spirituality. He was talking about "cosmic truth." He was talking about our place in the cosmos. His mission was to show us a way out of this world, back to the Edenic paradise we lost when God drove Adam and Eve out of Eden.

When God expelled Adam and Eve from Eden, that was the end of "oneness." Heaven and earth became separated. That isn't oneness is it? Jesus spends so much time talking about heaven that I think he clearly didn't believe in the "oneness" you described. Those who seek to be a part of heaven must necessarily become separated from those who do not seek heaven.

He was talking about something more important than spirituality and philosophy. He was talking about something inherent in our relationship to the cosmos, rather than something independent of it (which seems to be what you're interested in). If that sets Jesus lower on your scale of spirituality then fine, so be it. I just wonder why you would want to put him on that scale if he was apparently never interested in your ideal of oneness. It just isn't a valid assessment.

There is no purpose in it, it is just happening for us to enjoy it. How can you give back? Simply enjoy, bask in it and just be grateful - even when things are going badly, you are here to know this, it is merely creating some contrast so you can enjoy better times ahead.

Many say live, but when I look in the world I see a lot of people trying to survive, there is nothing like real life in many. This is my struggle, to show all this secret, to stop allowing people to suffer pain unnecessary in the very places they seek peace.

Yes, there is no purpose in it. What point then, is there of being spiritual? That is just as futile. Why don't we just let things be?

Understand you are one with existence itself, you are not separate and placed here to fight for your survival. Understand there is nothing to fight against, if you feel to fight, recognize that the enemy is also you - how can there be a winner? You will love all when you go deeply into this, because you are the all.

Maybe I just enjoy the fight, without which I have nothing for which to live. Life would be void of meaning, so I must create a purpose for it. I have to start a fight. Do you find yourself with no enemies? Then create some.

Let there be chaos instead of order. Let there be war instead of peace. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Spirituality is pointless. Perfection is boring, so let's all get drunk and vomit over one another.

 

[Gatekeeper]

No, you do not hear me if you did you would accept me. You belong to what is below. I belong to what is above. You belong to this world.Who ever accepts me accepts the One who sent me, the Lord.

The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me; he has sent me to bring good news to the oppressed, to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and release to the prisoners;To announce a year of favor from the Lord and a day of vindication by our God, to comfort all who mourn;
To place on those who mourn in Zion a diadem instead of ashes, To give them oil of gladness in place of mourning, a glorious mantle instead of a listless spirit. They will be called oaks of justice, planted by the Lord to show his glory.

The one who comes from above is above all; He who is of the world belongs to the world and speaks in a worldly way. The one who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what he has seen and heard, yet no one accepts his testimony. Whoever accepts his testimony certifies that God is truthful. The One who is sent by God, He speaks the words of God. His gift of the spirit is not rationed. The Father loves the Son and has given everything over to him. Whoever believes in the Son possesses eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but must endure the wrath of God.

"Truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above."
"Truly, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. Flesh makes flesh, spirit makes spirit. Do not be surprised that I tell you, you must all be born from above.

I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Lord except by me.

I don't reject you, just what you believe to be true. We get all kinds around here. We are a very diverse group. You are claiming some kind of good news when for the majority of us, it wouldn't be good news at all. Also, there are many who aren't in this for eternal life. Some of us could care less, actually.


Some of us focus on today, how we live, what we contribute to our society, and how we treat others. For those of us who think this way, it is enough to lead a productive life. We can die knowing we did our best in other words.


With that being said, what are the conditions for eternal life according to you? Saying, "Hear my words" is not enough, nor is "Accept my views" enough. Give us some crumbs, or rather be clear the conditions for eternal life as you understand them.

 

[Lunitik]

Btw, I question everything! It is something I enjoy. Questions lead to observations, and then observations lead to answers, which lead to more questions, etc. I find it extremely stimulating! Don't presume to think that by thinking less you are less inclined to mind conclusions, however. You obviously think and also conclude that you are somewhat more enlightened than many of us here on the boards. I find this both mildly disturbing, yet if you have found a place of comfort, also relieving. We all deal with life differently, so if it gives you comfort then I say more power to ya!

It is comfortable for mind to keep asking questions and getting answers, it then believes itself knowledgeable and again this is something which feeds the ego.

I have actually described enlightenment in this thread, you have apparently missed though, but the key to it is a state of no-mind. Awe is a state in which you are speechless, how will you ask questions? Do the answers even lead anywhere constructive? You have said they simply bring new questions, is this worthwhile in any way shape or form? The mind will continue in this pattern, deconstructing reality, but it can never bring true answers, you will have to go beyond mind to realize this.

 

[Gatekeeper]

It is comfortable for mind to keep asking questions and getting answers, it then believes itself knowledgeable and again this is something which feeds the ego.

I have actually described enlightenment in this thread, you have apparently missed though, but the key to it is a state of no-mind. Awe is a state in which you are speechless, how will you ask questions? Do the answers even lead anywhere constructive? You have said they simply bring new questions, is this worthwhile in any way shape or form? The mind will continue in this pattern, deconstructing reality, but it can never bring true answers, you will have to go beyond mind to realize this.

With all due respect, I'm not looking for enlightenment, but mental stimulation and a good awareness of my surroundings. Yes, questions certainly provide what I am looking for, and for me the pattern is more than worthwhile.

 

[Lunitik]

If all is one, why do I see conflict?

Forgetfulness, the new identifications wish to show they are important.

There is no oneness. It is an ideal, a goal, a condition to be maintained and achieved.

You are speaking to someone that lives in oneness, and you are saying there is no such thing? It is not a goal or an ideal, neither is it a condition to be maintained and achieved. To be goal oriented, you are thinking dualistically, now and then... the very nature of the goal will make it impossible. It is not an achievement either, it is our natural state. As for maintenance, at first yes, but eventually it is simply your experience.

I think Jesus was making a bold statement. It shows that whatever he believed in was not what you believe in. Jesus' beliefs never had to fit anyone's ideals. Jesus wasn't really talking about spirituality. He was talking about "cosmic truth." He was talking about our place in the cosmos. His mission was to show us a way out of this world, back to the Edenic paradise we lost when God drove Adam and Eve out of Eden.

I am showing you the same thing, in the state of oneness, you realize you are in the Kingdom this moment.

He was talking about something more important than spirituality and philosophy. He was talking about something inherent in our relationship to the cosmos, rather than something independent of it (which seems to be what you're interested in). If that sets Jesus lower on your scale of spirituality then fine, so be it. I just wonder why you would want to put him on that scale if he was apparently never interested in your ideal of oneness. It just isn't a valid assessment.

I am not speaking of philosophy or spirituality either, I am speaking about exactly that relationship with the cosmos. Philosophy is of mind, spirituality is one half of another duality, a mere concept. I try to show what you are, that is all...

Maybe I just enjoy the fight, without which I have nothing for which to live. Life would be void of meaning, so I must create a purpose for it. I have to start a fight. Do you find yourself with no enemies? Then create some.

This is just it, why do you need something to live for? Can't celebrating this miracle be enough? It is already void of meaning, you have just deluded yourself into thinking there is one, dance with it, enjoy it, but do not think there is a purpose. Once you stop trying to prove yourself a somebody, then perhaps you can actually enjoy life.

Let there be chaos instead of order. Let there be war instead of peace. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Spirituality is pointless. Perfection is boring, so let's all get drunk and vomit over one another.

I do not speak of perfection either, not in the sense of some ideal... I merely show that with both war and peace there is perfection, the balance of it all is exactly perfect already. They are merely providing contrast for the other that we can recognize each. Spirituality rejects material life when given too much emphasis, this is not what I speak of at all, because spiritual and material is another duality.

All is one, find our what is pointed to in this.

 

[Lunitik]

With all due respect, I'm not looking for enlightenment, but mental stimulation and a good awareness of my surroundings. Yes, questions certainly provide what I am looking for, and for me the pattern is more than worthwhile.

If this is enough then I apologize for disturbing your sleep.

 

[Gatekeeper]

If this is enough then I apologize for disturbing your sleep.

I find it a tad funny that you judge me to be sleeping, if not a bit arrogant. You somehow think that those who have no interest in your so called enlightened state are sleeping, which is a mind conclusion in and of itself. Meh, feel free to view it any way you like, lunitic. You're quite a character to say the least!

 

[Lunitik]

I find it a tad funny that you judge me to be sleeping, if not a bit arrogant. You somehow think that those who have no interest in your so called enlightened state are sleeping, which is a mind conclusion in and of itself. Meh, feel free to view it any way you like, lunitic. You're quite a character to say the least!

Bodhi means awakened, this is what I try to show.
You do not wish for this, so I call you sleeping.

How do you think one might type without bringing in mind though? It is whether mind continues rambling after you are done with it that is the difference.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Bodhi means awakened, this is what I try to show.
You do not wish for this, so I call you sleeping.

How do you think one might type without bringing in mind though? It is whether mind continues rambling after you are done with it that is the difference.

I see no point in pursuing a so called enlightened state. I feel quite secure, comfortable, mentally stimulated, and aware as I am. I do however, keep my mind open so that I might gain further insight. I just don't find your views to be all that insightful. You make a good point here and there, but the majority of your posts are an attempt to get others to convert to your way of thinking.


You rarely discuss anything; instead you insist that you are enlightened and that we should be like you. I'm just calling it like I see it, lunitic. I'm sure you mean well, but don't you think it gets a little tiresome for some of us that you continue to suggest that we are less aware than you, that we need to wake up and follow suit?

 

[Lunitik]

There is nothing to convert to, I simply try to show you your original face.

What would you like me to discuss? I simply find most topics to be insignificant, you can jump now, why delay while we analyze a story which is intended to point to the jump site? It is right here, right now, you needn't do anything or go anywhere, the whole journey is false.

Simply let go and truly open yourself to existence, there is nothing else.

 

[IowaGuy]

The word of the Lord is in the bible but not all of the bible is the word of the Lord.

Princely - exactly which chapters and verses of the bible are not the "word of the Lord"?

And, is the "word of the Lord" found anywhere else besides the bible? For example, the sutras or Popul Vuh or vedas?